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[denizaksulu]

the german subs greece had received plus the initial f-4 phantoms would have been desicive if used.

Is it the belief of most GC's on cf, that the then Greek Junta led Greek Gov did not use these submarines because of USA pressure (pre-planned Partition and all that). Yet we know for a fact that a few planes loaded with elite troops did in fact land and some shot down. Did the Junta 'disobey' orders from USA in spite of the 'Conspiracy theory' - if true? Something isnt right here. Or was there a major split amongst Junta members?

[boulio]

deniz the cyprus file in greece was never opened so its difficult to really know.the operation you are talking about was the landing of the 1st commando unit at the airport with the nortalas planes.

Ionnides always claimed there was a agreement between the US,GREECE AND TURKEY THAT turkey would land were she did and establish a zone area which she did in attila 1.attila 2 and the taking of 36% of the island ioannides always cliamed that he was cheated.

[quattro]

the german subs greece had received plus the initial f-4 phantoms would have been desicive if used.

Is it the belief of most GC's on cf, that the then Greek Junta led Greek Gov did not use these submarines because of USA pressure (pre-planned Partition and all that). Yet we know for a fact that a few planes loaded with elite troops did in fact land and some shot down. Did the Junta 'disobey' orders from USA in spite of the 'Conspiracy theory' - if true? Something isnt right here. Or was there a major split amongst Junta members?

Deniz nobody inform the troops around Nicosia airport that those planes where greek the information came later when it was too late. Yes there was a split at that time among the officers (honest ones).

but at that night some "patriots" start shooting those planes from a building
very near to my house and my father was shouting to them to stop saying that those must be greek planes because their landing lights and gear was on .
(as i remember those plans where flying so low that night that you could "touch them")

[denizaksulu]

the german subs greece had received plus the initial f-4 phantoms would have been desicive if used.

Is it the belief of most GC's on cf, that the then Greek Junta led Greek Gov did not use these submarines because of USA pressure (pre-planned Partition and all that). Yet we know for a fact that a few planes loaded with elite troops did in fact land and some shot down. Did the Junta 'disobey' orders from USA in spite of the 'Conspiracy theory' - if true? Something isnt right here. Or was there a major split amongst Junta members?

Deniz nobody inform the troops around Nicosia airport that those planes where greek the information came later when it was too late. Yes there was a split at that time among the officers (honest ones).

but at that night some "patriots" start shooting those planes from a building
very near to my house and my father was shouting to them to stop saying that those must be greek planes because their landing lights and gear was on .
(as i remember those plans where flying so low that night that you could "touch them")

Thanks for the replies. The Junta finally gone, how long are the Cyprus files going to be 'hidden'? The missing piece of the 'jigsaw puzzle' should be out by now to see who cheated who.

[quattro]

the german subs greece had received plus the initial f-4 phantoms would have been desicive if used.

Is it the belief of most GC's on cf, that the then Greek Junta led Greek Gov did not use these submarines because of USA pressure (pre-planned Partition and all that). Yet we know for a fact that a few planes loaded with elite troops did in fact land and some shot down. Did the Junta 'disobey' orders from USA in spite of the 'Conspiracy theory' - if true? Something isnt right here. Or was there a major split amongst Junta members?

Deniz nobody inform the troops around Nicosia airport that those planes where greek the information came later when it was too late. Yes there was a split at that time among the officers (honest ones).

but at that night some "patriots" start shooting those planes from a building
very near to my house and my father was shouting to them to stop saying that those must be greek planes because their landing lights and gear was on .
(as i remember those plans where flying so low that night that you could "touch them")

Thanks for the replies. The Junta finally gone, how long are the Cyprus files going to be 'hidden'? The missing piece of the 'jigsaw puzzle' should be out by now to see who cheated who.

The missing piece is hidden under the greek parliament Deniz and until now nobody can touch it (People involved still alive .....)

[boulio]

Thanks for the replies. The Junta finally gone, how long are the Cyprus files going to be 'hidden'? The missing piece of the 'jigsaw puzzle' should be out by now to see who cheated who.

i think that its not just about the junta deniz,because the junta fell on 07/23/1974 karamanlis and his people had 3 weeks to do something about cyprus till attila 2 and they did nothing.so it may also tarnish one of the most beloved politicians and his party if the files every come to light.

[Paphitis]

GR also forgets to tell you that the max. range of both these weapons system is well below where an F16 would fire or operate from... the TOR and the Mistral range is up to 16000 ft while an f16 fires from above 30,000 ft.

Another idiot talking rubbish! The ONLY thing a plane can do from 30k feet is DROP bombs… and not any kind of bombs due to the wind blowing them way off course!

To use accurate missiles and rockets, a fighter jet MUST descend to very vulnerable altitudes.

ok you ding bat, the f16 is capable of dropping cluster bombs from that altitude where each cluster bomb has 32 programable bomblets that cruise to their destined target.....

Any type of war on a small island like Cyprus where there are nationalities from many countries living on it in high concentration in many places, use of indiscriminate air power will not win the war without first killing half the population, including the ones you want to protect. Only a ground war will determine the winners and the losers. Very rarely air wars alone won anything in history, except of course, the NATO air campaign against the Serbs over Kosovo, and even then, it took around 70 days, which destroyed more structures in Serbia then in Kosovo to win the war.

Airpower is very accurate and surgical these days. It is about destroying infrastructure such as Airports, Harbours, roads, bridges, military bases, communications, radar facilities and softening the enemy before Ground troops are deployed, and then providing those troops some cover for protection and prevent enemy aircraft from attacking these troops.

Also, a mere 2 jets can be awfully intimidating for people as they fly over.

Generally speaking, ground troops want air cover, and this is what usually happens. Before Australian troops landed in East Timor, F18 jets would fly over Dili, on a daily bases in order to intimidate the Indonesians, their Army and militias.

Of course air power is important, but in the end, it is the ground forces that win wars.

In any case, I'm not so sure Turkey will be able to initiate another war with the RoC using their American F-16's, considering the fact, there is already a lawsuit seeking $1 Trillion (12 zeros) USD in the states for the USA allowing Turkey to use American weapons during the 74 events. I don't think the USA wants another major lawsuit on their hands. Shit, Cyprus will end up owning the USA given their financial problems at the moment.!

I would love for all of the above to be true.

Unfortunately, I believe Turkey will do what it needs to do and there is little the US can do about it unless they utilize the 6th fleet to disrupt supply lines and establish a no fly zone over the island. Everything is is just hot air.

But I like the idea of the RoC owning the US!

[denizaksulu]

I love all this war talk.

Do any of you keyboard warriors, in the event of Turkey going to war against their neighbor Greece; would the Greeks get to Istanbul first or the TA get to Athens first? I know its a hypothetical question, but I heard on some sites that Turkey would reach Athens in three and a half days if not three. Personally I think this is a bit far fetched, but there seems a lot of experience out there, any serious comments. (please exclude any help from the RoC, that would put Turkey at a great disadvantage.IMO )

[B25]

I am of the opinion that any war that Turkey may decide to start with anyone, will immediately be faced with an internal war with the Kurds and Armenians.

They will see their opportunity and seize it. Perhaps it would suit us too!!!

I think Turkey will fight more than one battle when this all kicks off. All this posturing today is just that, her bark is worst than her bite. In other words I think she is just full of shit.

[ZoC]

I love all this war talk.

Do any of you keyboard warriors, in the event of Turkey going to war against their neighbor Greece; would the Greeks get to Istanbul first or the TA get to Athens first? I know its a hypothetical question, but I heard on some sites that Turkey would reach Athens in three and a half days if not three. Personally I think this is a bit far fetched, but there seems a lot of experience out there, any serious comments. (please exclude any help from the RoC, that would put Turkey at a great disadvantage.IMO )

dunno... but this is how i will dispose of the deluded dark knight, the "invincible" viewpoint...