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Postby quattro » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:24 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
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wyoming cowboy wrote:First of all noone can say that the turk invasion of cyprus was NOT preplanned. It is obvious that the planning began in the late 60's early 70's, first with turkey's accumulating 100 landing vessels which she didnt have in 67. The political situation had to be perfect for an excuse to invade. The junta in Greece was overthrown in 71, with ioannides being placed as their leader....not being a fan of the junta, its my opinion that papadopoulos would not have fallen for anglo/nato's farce to create a coup in cyprus.

Even the movements of the NG pre invasion shows complacency with the invaders.....At the point of invasion the antitank regiment at lampousa that was to defend five mile and six mile was moved to the other side of the island. Artillery units were also moved.......At the first day of the coup a fire was lit on top of the pentadaktylos mts. which in a direct line down to the sea would mark the invaders at five mile.....Another key point is that at the time of papadopoulous ouster in 71, eoka b was organized on cyprus and grivas as its head, was snuck back onto the island to create chaos among the Greek cyps. to the point where Turkey was invading and Greek cyps were still shooting at each other in Kyrenia. Without the full support of Nato England the usa and Kissinger, turkey would not have moved an inch....Turkey invaded Cyprus and was guaranteed success....


A sad miscalculation on a grand scale. So you do believe in the 'conspiracy' theory. Sad to say that 'wars' are lost because of 'miscalculations' and the 'window of opportunity'. I am not mocking anyone here, but the Cypriots had no chance. Were any 'court martials' held in Cyprus as a result of all these decisions to leave the back door open? Whose decision was it?


Deniz the information for the invasion was known from April and nobody act even when turkey starts dropping paratroopers they were saying that it was an exercise. Also they had all night to deploy the artillery and they decide to send it at 11am with TAF above them .
and also any artillery from kerinia region was moved back and all the bankers where empty in the morning of the invasion


Artillery against EOKA B and the Makarios opponents? They were mad!! :shock: to remove them. Why were they in the first place. They expected an invasion from the early days of 1964?


You just answered you own question Deniz (CONSPIRACY )
just thing how many casualties TA had in the first 2 days with the conspiracy above as ,And make another calculation if everything was in order. if the sea was red in the first situation i cannot comprehend the color in the second.
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:33 pm

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wyoming cowboy wrote:First of all noone can say that the turk invasion of cyprus was NOT preplanned. It is obvious that the planning began in the late 60's early 70's, first with turkey's accumulating 100 landing vessels which she didnt have in 67. The political situation had to be perfect for an excuse to invade. The junta in Greece was overthrown in 71, with ioannides being placed as their leader....not being a fan of the junta, its my opinion that papadopoulos would not have fallen for anglo/nato's farce to create a coup in cyprus.

Even the movements of the NG pre invasion shows complacency with the invaders.....At the point of invasion the antitank regiment at lampousa that was to defend five mile and six mile was moved to the other side of the island. Artillery units were also moved.......At the first day of the coup a fire was lit on top of the pentadaktylos mts. which in a direct line down to the sea would mark the invaders at five mile.....Another key point is that at the time of papadopoulous ouster in 71, eoka b was organized on cyprus and grivas as its head, was snuck back onto the island to create chaos among the Greek cyps. to the point where Turkey was invading and Greek cyps were still shooting at each other in Kyrenia. Without the full support of Nato England the usa and Kissinger, turkey would not have moved an inch....Turkey invaded Cyprus and was guaranteed success....


A sad miscalculation on a grand scale. So you do believe in the 'conspiracy' theory. Sad to say that 'wars' are lost because of 'miscalculations' and the 'window of opportunity'. I am not mocking anyone here, but the Cypriots had no chance. Were any 'court martials' held in Cyprus as a result of all these decisions to leave the back door open? Whose decision was it?


Deniz the information for the invasion was known from April and nobody act even when turkey starts dropping paratroopers they were saying that it was an exercise. Also they had all night to deploy the artillery and they decide to send it at 11am with TAF above them .
and also any artillery from kerinia region was moved back and all the bankers where empty in the morning of the invasion


Artillery against EOKA B and the Makarios opponents? They were mad!! :shock: to remove them. Why were they in the first place. They expected an invasion from the early days of 1964?


You just answered you own question Deniz (CONSPIRACY )
just thing how many casualties TA had in the first 2 days with the conspiracy above as ,And make another calculation if everything was in order. if the sea was red in the first situation i cannot comprehend the color in the second.


Who do we believe? The sea the colour of blood, yet some claim there was no resistance as they were killing each other; but we do know that there was resistance and they fought (bravely) against all odds. I hope those that caused all this go to hell.
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Postby quattro » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:53 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
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wyoming cowboy wrote:First of all noone can say that the turk invasion of cyprus was NOT preplanned. It is obvious that the planning began in the late 60's early 70's, first with turkey's accumulating 100 landing vessels which she didnt have in 67. The political situation had to be perfect for an excuse to invade. The junta in Greece was overthrown in 71, with ioannides being placed as their leader....not being a fan of the junta, its my opinion that papadopoulos would not have fallen for anglo/nato's farce to create a coup in cyprus.

Even the movements of the NG pre invasion shows complacency with the invaders.....At the point of invasion the antitank regiment at lampousa that was to defend five mile and six mile was moved to the other side of the island. Artillery units were also moved.......At the first day of the coup a fire was lit on top of the pentadaktylos mts. which in a direct line down to the sea would mark the invaders at five mile.....Another key point is that at the time of papadopoulous ouster in 71, eoka b was organized on cyprus and grivas as its head, was snuck back onto the island to create chaos among the Greek cyps. to the point where Turkey was invading and Greek cyps were still shooting at each other in Kyrenia. Without the full support of Nato England the usa and Kissinger, turkey would not have moved an inch....Turkey invaded Cyprus and was guaranteed success....


A sad miscalculation on a grand scale. So you do believe in the 'conspiracy' theory. Sad to say that 'wars' are lost because of 'miscalculations' and the 'window of opportunity'. I am not mocking anyone here, but the Cypriots had no chance. Were any 'court martials' held in Cyprus as a result of all these decisions to leave the back door open? Whose decision was it?


Deniz the information for the invasion was known from April and nobody act even when turkey starts dropping paratroopers they were saying that it was an exercise. Also they had all night to deploy the artillery and they decide to send it at 11am with TAF above them .
and also any artillery from kerinia region was moved back and all the bankers where empty in the morning of the invasion


Artillery against EOKA B and the Makarios opponents? They were mad!! :shock: to remove them. Why were they in the first place. They expected an invasion from the early days of 1964?


You just answered you own question Deniz (CONSPIRACY )
just thing how many casualties TA had in the first 2 days with the conspiracy above as ,And make another calculation if everything was in order. if the sea was red in the first situation i cannot comprehend the color in the second.


Who do we believe? The sea the colour of blood, yet some claim there was no resistance as they were killing each other; but we do know that there was resistance and they fought (bravely) against all odds. I hope those that caused all this go to hell.


I dont know what yours numbers tells you but our numbers was referring around 15000 casualties among the TA
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:59 pm

quattro wrote:
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denizaksulu wrote:
quattro wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:First of all noone can say that the turk invasion of cyprus was NOT preplanned. It is obvious that the planning began in the late 60's early 70's, first with turkey's accumulating 100 landing vessels which she didnt have in 67. The political situation had to be perfect for an excuse to invade. The junta in Greece was overthrown in 71, with ioannides being placed as their leader....not being a fan of the junta, its my opinion that papadopoulos would not have fallen for anglo/nato's farce to create a coup in cyprus.

Even the movements of the NG pre invasion shows complacency with the invaders.....At the point of invasion the antitank regiment at lampousa that was to defend five mile and six mile was moved to the other side of the island. Artillery units were also moved.......At the first day of the coup a fire was lit on top of the pentadaktylos mts. which in a direct line down to the sea would mark the invaders at five mile.....Another key point is that at the time of papadopoulous ouster in 71, eoka b was organized on cyprus and grivas as its head, was snuck back onto the island to create chaos among the Greek cyps. to the point where Turkey was invading and Greek cyps were still shooting at each other in Kyrenia. Without the full support of Nato England the usa and Kissinger, turkey would not have moved an inch....Turkey invaded Cyprus and was guaranteed success....


A sad miscalculation on a grand scale. So you do believe in the 'conspiracy' theory. Sad to say that 'wars' are lost because of 'miscalculations' and the 'window of opportunity'. I am not mocking anyone here, but the Cypriots had no chance. Were any 'court martials' held in Cyprus as a result of all these decisions to leave the back door open? Whose decision was it?


Deniz the information for the invasion was known from April and nobody act even when turkey starts dropping paratroopers they were saying that it was an exercise. Also they had all night to deploy the artillery and they decide to send it at 11am with TAF above them .
and also any artillery from kerinia region was moved back and all the bankers where empty in the morning of the invasion


Artillery against EOKA B and the Makarios opponents? They were mad!! :shock: to remove them. Why were they in the first place. They expected an invasion from the early days of 1964?


You just answered you own question Deniz (CONSPIRACY )
just thing how many casualties TA had in the first 2 days with the conspiracy above as ,And make another calculation if everything was in order. if the sea was red in the first situation i cannot comprehend the color in the second.


Who do we believe? The sea the colour of blood, yet some claim there was no resistance as they were killing each other; but we do know that there was resistance and they fought (bravely) against all odds. I hope those that caused all this go to hell.


I dont know what yours numbers tells you but our numbers was referring around 15000 casualties among the TA


Does that include fatalities? I have seen no reliable figures; they all vary.
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Postby quattro » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:08 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
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denizaksulu wrote:
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denizaksulu wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:First of all noone can say that the turk invasion of cyprus was NOT preplanned. It is obvious that the planning began in the late 60's early 70's, first with turkey's accumulating 100 landing vessels which she didnt have in 67. The political situation had to be perfect for an excuse to invade. The junta in Greece was overthrown in 71, with ioannides being placed as their leader....not being a fan of the junta, its my opinion that papadopoulos would not have fallen for anglo/nato's farce to create a coup in cyprus.

Even the movements of the NG pre invasion shows complacency with the invaders.....At the point of invasion the antitank regiment at lampousa that was to defend five mile and six mile was moved to the other side of the island. Artillery units were also moved.......At the first day of the coup a fire was lit on top of the pentadaktylos mts. which in a direct line down to the sea would mark the invaders at five mile.....Another key point is that at the time of papadopoulous ouster in 71, eoka b was organized on cyprus and grivas as its head, was snuck back onto the island to create chaos among the Greek cyps. to the point where Turkey was invading and Greek cyps were still shooting at each other in Kyrenia. Without the full support of Nato England the usa and Kissinger, turkey would not have moved an inch....Turkey invaded Cyprus and was guaranteed success....


A sad miscalculation on a grand scale. So you do believe in the 'conspiracy' theory. Sad to say that 'wars' are lost because of 'miscalculations' and the 'window of opportunity'. I am not mocking anyone here, but the Cypriots had no chance. Were any 'court martials' held in Cyprus as a result of all these decisions to leave the back door open? Whose decision was it?


Deniz the information for the invasion was known from April and nobody act even when turkey starts dropping paratroopers they were saying that it was an exercise. Also they had all night to deploy the artillery and they decide to send it at 11am with TAF above them .
and also any artillery from kerinia region was moved back and all the bankers where empty in the morning of the invasion


Artillery against EOKA B and the Makarios opponents? They were mad!! :shock: to remove them. Why were they in the first place. They expected an invasion from the early days of 1964?


You just answered you own question Deniz (CONSPIRACY )
just thing how many casualties TA had in the first 2 days with the conspiracy above as ,And make another calculation if everything was in order. if the sea was red in the first situation i cannot comprehend the color in the second.


Who do we believe? The sea the colour of blood, yet some claim there was no resistance as they were killing each other; but we do know that there was resistance and they fought (bravely) against all odds. I hope those that caused all this go to hell.


I dont know what yours numbers tells you but our numbers was referring around 15000 casualties among the TA


Does that include fatalities? I have seen no reliable figures; they all vary.


Aprox. 15000-18000 dead or wounded
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Re: The National Guard of Cyprus… (before and after)

Postby halil » Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:50 pm

Get Real! wrote:The National Guard of Cyprus… (before and after)

Grivas in the 50s: A severe case of the Little Man Syndrome!

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An “OYK” at Zigy (2008): A contemporary human killing machine.

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Yup… we’ve come a loooong way! :lol:


Mucahit's against the Greek Cypriot national quards....

from yesterday


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Today ....from ...where to where Mucahits now..... :wink: GR.....

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Postby Get Real! » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:36 pm

Halil, you sure the guy in the bottom picture is a TC?

Or maybe I should've said... are you sure he is a member of the Turkish Cypriot Security Force (KTEK) ?
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Postby halil » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:39 pm

Get Real! wrote:Halil, you sure the guy in the bottom picture is a TC?

Or maybe I should've said... are you sure he is a member of the Turkish Cypriot Security Force (KTEK) ?


yep GR....u wanna see more

http://www.mucahit.net/dergiler/dergi70/Sayfa_15.htm
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:03 am

wyoming cowboy wrote:If noone knows the topographical area of Karavas and Agios Giorgios, if those
Artillery units were on Pentadaktylos and the anti tank units in their positions the Turks would have left their brethren that survived the landing on these two beaches, and hightailed it back to Mersin, Even someone with a rifle on top of the hill overlooking six mile beach which is less then 100 metres away could of easily taken out a company of turks.....


That scenario is reminiscent of the Anzac landings at gallipoli. Total disaster and a waste of young lives - those poor Anzacs, gun fodder for the British and allies.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:07 am

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wyoming cowboy wrote:If noone knows the topographical area of Karavas and Agios Giorgios, if those
Artillery units were on Pentadaktylos and the anti tank units in their positions the Turks would have left their brethren that survived the landing on these two beaches, and hightailed it back to Mersin, Even someone with a rifle on top of the hill overlooking six mile beach which is less then 100 metres away could of easily taken out a company of turks.....


That scenario is reminiscent of the Anzac landings at gallipoli. Total disaster and a waste of young lives - those poor Anzacs, gun fodder for the British and allies.

And from that day on they took up sheep shagging for solace... :cry:
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