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Revolution 101 for tCypriots & e-negotiating 1963!

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby DTA » Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:51 am

bill cobbett wrote:
DTA wrote:The other 75,000 or so would be given the choice to return to the tc state where there homes are occupied and the present owner does not want to move (echr ruling) then new homes nearby will be built. Those that don't want to live in the tc state can choose compensation or exchange, this will be paid for by the homes of the 70,000 tc displaced from the south where land values are much higher.


Er... where do you get this nonsense that land values in the Free Areas are much higher mate????

Ever wondered why the land prices in the Occupied Areas are so much lower???

Could land prices in the Occupied Areas be lower cos, in the main, thieves and con-people and scammers are trying to sell stolen lands.

Could it be that on Settlement Day land prices equalise????

One more thing please mate ... "the present owner" according to any legal measure including the ECHR is the person whose name appears on 1974 Kochans issued by the Republic.

The ECHR did nothing... absolutely bugger all nothing to change ownership of property.


I feel that it will take a long time for land values to equalize

as for the "present owner" I did not mean it to cause offence
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Postby DTA » Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:54 am

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DTA wrote:Security ie guarenteur for both sides would be a massive issue so I propose the eu to guarantor the south and Turkey the north.

how about EU guarantor cyprus as a whole ?
This would only work if Turkey is a full member of the Eu which I dont think will happen.
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Postby boulio » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:43 am

This would only work if Turkey is a full member of the Eu which I dont think will happen.


thats why i use a joint nato/eu force structure because turkey is a member of nato.
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Postby DTA » Sat Mar 05, 2011 3:30 pm

boulio wrote:
This would only work if Turkey is a full member of the Eu which I dont think will happen.


thats why i use a joint nato/eu force structure because turkey is a member of nato.


Maybe if turkey was a permanent member of the security council, would have to ask more tcs if they would accept this
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:11 pm

DTA wrote:
boulio wrote:
This would only work if Turkey is a full member of the Eu which I dont think will happen.


thats why i use a joint nato/eu force structure because turkey is a member of nato.


Maybe if turkey was a permanent member of the security council, would have to ask more tcs if they would accept this


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Don't get too carried away now.! :lol:
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Postby boulio » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:51 pm

DTA wrote:
boulio wrote:
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This would only work if Turkey is a full member of the Eu which I dont think will happen.


thats why i use a joint nato/eu force structure because turkey is a member of nato.


Maybe if turkey was a permanent member of the security council, would have to ask more tcs if they would accept this




Don't get too carried away now.!



seriously DTA we said to discuss things in the realm of reality not fantasy.
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Postby antifon » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:07 pm

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Filitsa wrote:
DTA wrote:Antifon you know nothing of tcs nor of kurds did you know there was a Kurdish primeminister of turkey?

As for 63 that is terrible date for tcs - the 13 amendments were the beginning of 11 years of hell for the tcs. Which was as unfair as 74 was for your community.

So again and for infinity NO


Hi, DTA,

I wouldn't exactly call the late Ozal a Kurd. He was only part Kurdish and born, raised, and educated in Turkey.

Regards.


He was part Kurdish you are right but was one of the most respected priministers of Turkey and was generally loved so being Kurdish (or part Kurdish did not matter. Turkey and Kurdish relations are a lot more complicated then our friend Antifon is trying to poutray for example only a very very small minority of kurdish people in Turkey vot for seperatist kurdish parties.


Please do not offend us by suggesting that Turkish-Kurdish relations are more complicated than I suggest. Kurds vote mainstream to fit in. Also the terror state equates PKK and the Kurdish parties in existence. How many have been dismantled already? How many times the EU accused you of such undemocratic acts. You have fascism in Turkey and Kurds try to survive by voting mainstream until better days come along.

DTA, the solution in Cyprus, the bridging in other words of the diverging interests of a circa 80% majority and a 20% ethnic minority (more like 10% today) as the prerequisite to delegitimize the purported need for Turkeyish presence in Cyprus, will be an inescapable reference and an extremely relevant legal precedent, as the Turkish Republic and her Kurds try to find a compromise solution to the 87-year long Kurdish problem, a problem between a circa 25% ethnic minority and a circa 70% majority of Turks.

This fact alone is enough for tCypriots to fear even greater animosity in the pipeline stemming from Turkey, as immature and unjustified as it will be, originating from their "mother" country's nationalist circles, the vast majority that is of Turkeyish population as a result of the lack of real democracy in the country.

At the end of the day all constituencies [Kurds, Cypriots (t's and g's), Turks] stand to gain from the inescapable comparison. The difference being that three constituencies are ready to embrace such drastic changes in their lives via the redefinition between majority and minority, two since long ago, namely Kurds and gCypriots, and tCypriots as of recent who see no other option but to turn to the gCypriots for help. I cannot say the same for the Turks of Turkey. May they opt for wise compromises as opposed to adventures into the unknown which may lead to unimaginable losses. If only Turks can muster the strength and garner the wisdom to talk to Cypriots about their own problems. The Kurdish issue might be solved overnight if accumulated Cypriot wisdom in majority minority relations is exploited.

By the way, Ozal had one Kurdish grandmother & did not speak Kurdish. And by the way, Turks [Ergenekon] killed him. A investigation still goes on to this day. Shall I send you the link in the Turkish press?

http://antifon.blogspot.com

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Postby DTA » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:29 pm

Also over 100,000 people attended his funeral. And you know nothing of Kurdish Turkish relations my guess is that you have spoken to one (or at most two or three) Kurdish people and have formed a very ill informed opinion.

People vote because they want to fit in? Hahahha that's just dunny
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Postby DTA » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:31 pm

That is not to excuse the way that the Kurds have been in some cases treated in turkey - the banning of the language etc was abhorant.
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Postby antifon » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:51 pm

DTA wrote:Also over 100,000 people attended his funeral. And you know nothing of Kurdish Turkish relations my guess is that you have spoken to one (or at most two or three) Kurdish people and have formed a very ill informed opinion.

People vote because they want to fit in? Hahahha that's just dunny


What am i to do? Keep you from guessing?

Why don't you share with us your ideas for preparing the back up plan after the BBF fails? For it will. Some of us, both tCs and gCs, have already started putting together ideas for Point#14. No serious comments yet for the points 1-13. Want to be the first?

The invitation is for all. Let us negotiate 1963! You all know as well as I do that at the end of the day the 1960 basis is all we have. In order for tCypriots to be accepted back changes are needed. Let's define these changes.

http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/03/poi ... -1963.html

You will find all original 13 points here:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/search/labe ... Nov%201963
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