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[Get Real!]

...we are aonly agreeing that the GCs cannot depart from a BBF without the TCs permission

Ever heard of “The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away!” ?

Well go back and replace “Lord” with “Makarios”!

hes in hell thank god.

The point is that the BBF suggestion was a Makarios GOODWILL GESTURE that was reaffirmed by TP too after Makarios died, but as with all good gestures they have an expiry date and I dare say that the end of 2011 will be it.

[kurupetos]

Piratis has totally gone plonkers. Might as well hope for a meteorite to drop onto Turkey, it is a more likely scenario ...

Don't worry, some researchers are building WMD.

[Viewpoint]

...we are aonly agreeing that the GCs cannot depart from a BBF without the TCs permission

Ever heard of “The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away!” ?

Well go back and replace “Lord” with “Makarios”!

hes in hell thank god.

The point is that the BBF suggestion was a Makarios GOODWILL GESTURE that was reaffirmed by TP too after Makarios died, but as with all good gestures they have an expiry date and I dare say that the end of 2011 will be it.

Ask your bum chum Kikapu the GCs cannot renege on BBF without our permission.

[Get Real!]

...we are aonly agreeing that the GCs cannot depart from a BBF without the TCs permission

Ever heard of “The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away!” ?

Well go back and replace “Lord” with “Makarios”!

hes in hell thank god.

The point is that the BBF suggestion was a Makarios GOODWILL GESTURE that was reaffirmed by TP too after Makarios died, but as with all good gestures they have an expiry date and I dare say that the end of 2011 will be it.

Ask your bum chum Kikapu the GCs cannot renege on BBF without our permission.

I cannot see how TCs may have any say in this because after 37 years of being taken for granted, that goodwill gesture may well be revoked.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu

Viewpoint wrote:
So in effect the GCs cannot back out of a BBF with out the agreement of the TCs?

Kikapu wrote:
I don't see the GCs in trying to get out of BBF, can you.? If anything, I see the TCs in trying to get out of the BBF and into a BBC, as in Confederation from the agreed Federation in BBF. For the GCs, having a True Federation with all the EU Principles will suit them just fine and that is what they will settle for, and in my opinion, the same principles will also do good for the TCs. No matter what options may have been available to determine what BBF may have looked like before 2004, it sure has no options but to apply the EU principles to any BBF settlement as of 2004. The only reason as to why the TCs have not accepted BBF in the form of True Federation, is because they still have their Taksim Dreams alive, which is what's holding them back from having a settlement. So, if anything, it is the TCs who are trying to get out of BBF and not the GCs. As long as BBF is not agreed on based on EU principles, there is no reason for the GCs to try and leave the BBF, and the fact that they cannot leave it without the TCs approval, you are in fact doing them a favour by keeping them in BBF, because they still have the RoC with all it benefits and privileges as long as nothing new is agreed to, whereas the "trnc" doesn't have anything as long as the GCs do not agree to walk away from the BBF, with or without the TCs approval. BBF under EU principles is perhaps 1000 times better for the GCs than the 1960 agreements were, so why would they want to leave the BBF. Does it not tell you why Christofias is pushing for BBF with no time frames while Eroglu is pushing for BBC with time frames. The GCs can continue like this for a long time to give them time to bolster their new found political power within the EU for themselves and also against Turkey's occupation, as well as increasing their economic opportunities with the new found natural resources of the southern coast of Cyprus.

So your answer is yes I am right they cannot walk away from a BBF without our say so, can you kindly tell other GCs.

My answer in a few words is, since you don't like reading explanations to anything but only sound bited, that I don't believe the GCs can walk away from BBF, BUT they sure can ignore it if it does not meet the EU Principles and there's not much you can do about it. Same in reverse with the TCs.

Viewpoint wrote:
can you supply independent evidence of this claim?

Kikapu wrote:
The fact that BBF has been around for the last 30+ years is all the proof you need that neither side can walk away from it without both parties can agree to do so. I'm sure Eroglu would love to dump BBF, but he can't and Christofias is under no obligation to accept anything less than True Federation and the EU Principles for a settlement. He's not even obliged to offer "Rotation Presidency", but he has. You can see what happened to the GCs and the TCs because the GCs did not agree to BBF Annan Plan style. They got the RoC into the EU and continue to prosper economically and Politically and the TCs with the "trnc" got next to nothing. So don't assume that the GCs are in a hurry to dump the BBF by you thinking that the TCs will not let them escape BBF. They are not in a hurry to leave BBF anytime soon, since it will be far better for them than the 1960 agreements. The TCs can't leave it either, whether they want to or not, because the GCs will not agree to it for it to happen, but in the meantime, the TCs can't get anything in return while waiting for a settlement, except Turkey's political and economical rule over the "trnc". It may be time for the TCs to re-evaluate their position on how they can too benefit from BBF, because since 2004, it is a new ball game and the days of the AP is gone for ever. Something to think about if one wants to live in the real world, away from the imaginary one.

So no evidence.

The last 30+ years is the evidence. What more do you want.?

So I am right on both accounts, thank you for finally acknowledging this fact even though you took the long and unnecessary route..

So show me where the GCs tried to walk away from BBF. The BBF serves them well, because now they can get True Democracy, Human rights, International Law and the EU Principles that were ALL absent from the 1960 constitution. Without the above principles applied to BBF, the GCs will ignore any offers made that does not include the above principles. Refusal of the Annan Plan makes that point very well, does it not.? Did the GCs lose anything by refusing a BBF that did not have the above principles.? No, they did not. In fact, they had benefited huge amount. What did the TCs get for agreeing to a settlement not based on the above principles.? Do I really need to say it.? No, I don't think I need to. It will only upset you if I did!

And by the way, if you don't like the evidence that I presented as being unsatisfactory, then you cannot take credit for being right about the other.!

You have a superiority complex get over yourself, we are aonly agreeing that the GCs cannot depart from a BBF without the TCs permission and we have established that your evidence is non existent.

I wish I knew what is it that you are on about.

Is it that the TCs cannot ignore BBF, but you wished that they could, so to have a BBC agreement instead, so to give yourself another crack at the AP, or that the GCs can't get away from BBF and that you wish they could, just because a BBF with EU Principles is much more desirable for them than anything like the AP which is what you desire for it to happen for yourself..!

Forget it, because neither is going to happen.!

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...we are aonly agreeing that the GCs cannot depart from a BBF without the TCs permission

Ever heard of “The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away!” ?

Well go back and replace “Lord” with “Makarios”!

hes in hell thank god.

The point is that the BBF suggestion was a Makarios GOODWILL GESTURE that was reaffirmed by TP too after Makarios died, but as with all good gestures they have an expiry date and I dare say that the end of 2011 will be it.

Ask your bum chum Kikapu the GCs cannot renege on BBF without our permission.

But Eroglu can? He seemed to be saying recently that he wanted a BBCF.

[Viewpoint]

Its a BBF or nothing.

[Get Real!]

Its a BBF or nothing.

The RoC government can revoke that goodwill gesture at ANY moment and they will have nobody to answer to and there is NOTHING anyone can legally do against a sovereign UN member that has decided that 37 years of being taken for granted has produced the OPPOSITE effect of solving the CyProb!

And which country would blame them?

[boulio]

Its a BBF or nothing.

that take into account eu/un priciples as propery ownership,right to own land,business free movement etc etc right?

basic human rights as well?

[Viewpoint]

Its a BBF or nothing.

The RoC government can revoke that goodwill gesture at ANY moment and they will have nobody to answer to and there is NOTHING anyone can legally do against a sovereign UN member that has decided that 37 years of being taken for granted has produced the OPPOSITE effect of solving the CyProb!

And which country would blame them?

Tell Kikapu that hes telling us otherwise, who is lieing here?