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[Jerry]

The settlers don't have any such rights in Cyprus.
Turkey and not Cyprus is responsible for the Turkish citizens.

Cyprus has every right to deport them, like they can do with any other foreigner.

The how the settlers will move out is also Turkey's problem (assuming that the Cyprus Problem is solved peacefully). The same way they will be responsible to move their troops out they will also be responsible to move their settlers. Obviously we will not accept any solution that does not include this.

You obviously fail to understand this part of the ECHR ruling last year.
As you know, and so far the Court has accepted the fact, restitution has only been granted in 2-3% of cases and I'm sure they did not involve evictions.

Even though the international community regarded Turkey as being in illegal occupation of the northern part of Cyprus, this did not mean that, when dealing with individual complaints under the Convention concerning interference with property, its discretion as to the manner in which it executed a judgment should not be respected. In the light of the many changes some 35 years after the properties were left, it would risk being arbitrary and injudicious for the Court to impose an obligation to effect restitution in all cases – which would result in the forcible eviction and rehousing of many men, women and children – even with the aim of vindicating the rights of victims of violations of the Convention. No problem therefore arose as regards the impugned discretionary nature of the restitutionary power under Law 67/2005, which addressed the lack of provision for restitution pointed out in the case of Xenides-Arestis.

[B25]

jerry perhaps we should put that ruling to the test. I come and squat in your home, denying you access and then I get to keep it?
Hmmm!

The ECHR can make all the rulings it likes, right is right and wrong is wrong, a crime committed does not have a stute of limitation and cannot be righted just on some idiots sayso.

So I guess we will just have to wait until we can forciby remove them, because I for one, and there are many like me, will not want to live with a bunch of peasant gypsies sent in by the rapist to take over our lands.

Its about time the international community stood up to Turkey FFS. But hey she is about to face her own demise so I say we wait until the time is right and not sign away the north just yet. There is work to be done.

[BirKibrisli]

The settlers don't have any such rights in Cyprus.
Turkey and not Cyprus is responsible for the Turkish citizens.

Cyprus has every right to deport them, like they can do with any other foreigner.

The how the settlers will move out is also Turkey's problem (assuming that the Cyprus Problem is solved peacefully). The same way they will be responsible to move their troops out they will also be responsible to move their settlers. Obviously we will not accept any solution that does not include this.

Thus spoke Piratis...So Jerry,forget about the decisions of the ECHR,or any other international precedents,in Cyprus what GCs like Piratis say goes...They are the lawmakers ,and the enforcers...There are no appeal rights...VEry democratic our Piratis!

[BirKibrisli]

jerry perhaps we should put that ruling to the test. I come and squat in your home, denying you access and then I get to keep it?
Hmmm!

The ECHR can make all the rulings it likes, right is right and wrong is wrong, a crime committed does not have a stute of limitation and cannot be righted just on some idiots sayso.

So I guess we will just have to wait until we can forciby remove them, because I for one, and there are many like me, will not want to live with a bunch of peasant gypsies sent in by the rapist to take over our lands.

Its about time the international community stood up to Turkey FFS. But hey she is about to face her own demise so I say we wait until the time is right and not sign away the north just yet. There is work to be done.

And Jerry,here is the other 'democrat' who wants to mke his own rules and enforce them himself...These people are what stands between us and a fair and lasting settlement...They refuse to see the wrongs of their own side,because that gives them the licence to be soooo bloody minded...They believe they are absolutely right and they must get what they want absolutely,or hell would freeze over before they accept a settlement...

[DTA]

DTA

How very Patronising of you. You, in your distopian image of what will happen to the tcs who go north looking for work discriminate on them because of their ethnicity and then you have cheek to tell me to grow up? I am DONE with YOU. Your charade as A humanist is over you are nothing more than a fascist dressed as priest, a would be preditor that has decided to try to use cunning because force is no longer available. And I'm done with you.

Firstly your are projecting all of your feelings on to me. That's your shit and you need to deal with it.

Secondly, I don't think that those TC's who occupy GC refugee homes should be rewarded. They are denying someone else their human rights to their lawful properties.

Thirdly, I have in the past five years on the forum advocated that if a TC wants to return to their property to live in the RoC and live in their home any GC refugee needs to be relocated by the RoC. I think it is the right thing to do , even though that GC has made a home of it for the past 35 years.

I am not sure why you even feel that the RoC in the current situation should even offer financial support to any TC. May I remind you that you hate us with vengence. We want unification because we want our lands back and free to live wherever , choose too in our Country.

I have my own beliefs on the Cyprob, That is I d not agree that a minority group invite a huge nation to invade kill pillage and violate and for this I support the sanctions.

I believe that there needs to be a solution that is fair equal and democratic. I believe that the RoC honouring pensions, provides free health and employment to TC's is a good fair and democratic example of true Cyriotship.

Therefore your response is a mere reflection of who you are.

Firstly no-one can argue against democracy and human rights but from what date do you want to start this argument? Because if it is from today then you have to take the realities of today in to consideration, and if you want to start it from any other date well we can do the same.

And

No it is not my issues, it is just that I expected more from you, perhaps I was fooled by the username, or saw something in one of your posts, don't worry I won't make that mistake again.

[Jerry]

jerry perhaps we should put that ruling to the test. I come and squat in your home, denying you access and then I get to keep it?
Hmmm!

The ECHR can make all the rulings it likes, right is right and wrong is wrong, a crime committed does not have a stute of limitation and cannot be righted just on some idiots sayso.

So I guess we will just have to wait until we can forciby remove them, because I for one, and there are many like me, will not want to live with a bunch of peasant gypsies sent in by the rapist to take over our lands.

Its about time the international community stood up to Turkey FFS. But hey she is about to face her own demise so I say we wait until the time is right and not sign away the north just yet. There is work to be done.

B25, squat in my home surrounded by your army of 40,000 and there would be very little I could do about it. Stay there and breed then the ECHR would say that you have established rights and I am only entitled to compensation.

I entirely agree with you about what is right, I was seriously pissed off when I read the ruling last year but I'm afraid some things have to be taken on the chin. Do we compromise now or risk waiting another 36 years when our position wil be weaker. Do you think the Palestinians will ever get all their stolen lands back?

I would love to see the NG march north and kick the metmecik out but the world would see it as an attack on the TCs - and besides we would never win. What are the chances of Turkey having its own nuclear weapons in 36 years time? The Israeli nuclear threat has kept its enemies at bay, it would probably work for the Turks.

The international community values its own skin above that of the Cypriots, with all the turmoil in the Middle East Turkey is seen as an example of stability and, for the time being, a favoured ally. There would need to be a huge shift in alliances for the West to turn against Turkey and even then I can't see them taking up arms to kick the TA out of the north.

We could wait for ever.

[Paphitis]

jerry perhaps we should put that ruling to the test. I come and squat in your home, denying you access and then I get to keep it?
Hmmm!

The ECHR can make all the rulings it likes, right is right and wrong is wrong, a crime committed does not have a stute of limitation and cannot be righted just on some idiots sayso.

So I guess we will just have to wait until we can forciby remove them, because I for one, and there are many like me, will not want to live with a bunch of peasant gypsies sent in by the rapist to take over our lands.

Its about time the international community stood up to Turkey FFS. But hey she is about to face her own demise so I say we wait until the time is right and not sign away the north just yet. There is work to be done.

B25, squat in my home surrounded by your army of 40,000 and there would be very little I could do about it. Stay there and breed then the ECHR would say that you have established rights and I am only entitled to compensation.

I entirely agree with you about what is right, I was seriously pissed off when I read the ruling last year but I'm afraid some things have to be taken on the chin. Do we compromise now or risk waiting another 36 years when our position wil be weaker. Do you think the Palestinians will ever get all their stolen lands back?

I would love to see the NG march north and kick the metmecik out but the world would see it as an attack on the TCs - and besides we would never win. What are the chances of Turkey having its own nuclear weapons in 36 years time? The Israeli nuclear threat has kept its enemies at bay, it would probably work for the Turks.

The international community values its own skin above that of the Cypriots, with all the turmoil in the Middle East Turkey is seen as an example of stability and, for the time being, a favoured ally. There would need to be a huge shift in alliances for the West to turn against Turkey and even then I can't see them taking up arms to kick the TA out of the north.

We could wait for ever.

Some of us still have dignity and don't want to sign any capitulation agreement whilst the enemy is politically in no man's land!

[DTA]

And some people don't want to make the compromises necessary because for them it has become about winning and losing.

Both sides have been feed shit by their leaders, but most people are too blind to see it and simply ask for ketchup with their shit, instead of saying I won't eat this no more.

[Paphitis]

And some people don't want to make the compromises necessary because for them it has become about winning and losing.

Both sides have been feed shit by their leaders, but most people are too blind to see it and simply ask for ketchup with their shit, instead of saying I won't eat this no more.

Yes, you have been fed shit! I however have a country and feel secure under the internationally recognised RoC umbrella and seem very content with this for the time being. I am not going to let go.

What you do in your fascist boot camp is up to you!

[DTA]

Ok dude you know best, enjoy!