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[Get Real!]

I know GR, you would rather have the Turkish army stay forever in Cyprus so that you get your heroic chance to drive it out, when the balance of power changes ...

The Turkish army is currently limited behind the green line in an illegal status pending removal, but should the RoC ever accept dissolution to accomodate one of these banana arrangements you can be sure that they will have effectively given Turkey the legal right to do as she pleases ALL OVER Cyprus!

That would surely be the beginning of the end of our 10,000 year history which you obviously don't seem to care about!

That's fine by me but I do!

[boulio]

Think of it as an insurance policy, i believe they still have ourr seats reserved in parliament and have to accept us if we decide to claim our rights under the 1960 agreements which includes veto rights and vice president post.

going back to the 1960 agreemnets cant be done on a piecemeal basis it has to be done on a whole with adjustments that both communities want.from the g/c communities side yes you will be give political rights that are enshrined in the 1960 agreements,however from the turkish t/c side that means you will have to make bigger adjustments ie:troops levels,property etc etc

[Bananiot]

Dissolution exists only in your mind GR. And the Turkish army will NOT leave without solution, and the only solution possible is BBF. Thus, in practice you support the Turkish army to stay for ever in Cyprus. Surely even you can understand this simple thing.

[Get Real!]

Dissolution exists only in your mind GR. And the Turkish army will NOT leave without solution, and the only solution possible is BBF. Thus, in practice you support the Turkish army to stay for ever in Cyprus. Surely even you can understand this simple thing.

No mate you’ve got it all wrong!

Turkey doesn’t care what abbreviation you call the banana arrangement as long as it guarantees her foothold!

No deal!

[Kikapu]

We always have the internationally accepted 1960 agreements to fall back on.

Really.?

I thought those agreement are no longer valid due to the new agreement to have a BBF. One of the blunders by Denktash I may add, but then again, he thought the Cyprus Problem was solved in 1974. In any case, the RoC will just ignore it and continue as they are doing today without the TCs involved in the government. The world doesn't seem to mind with the present arrangement at all, are they.??..

But if you were to use the 1960 agreements, then be prepared for the TCs to be sent to jail or exile (their choice) for colluding with the enemy in trying to destroy the Republic of Cyprus and secede from it. Most countries that is punishable by firing squad. Lucky for us TCs, the RoC is in the EU and such punishment is not allowed.

Think of it as an insurance policy, i believe they still have ourr seats reserved in parliament and have to accept us if we decide to claim our rights under the 1960 agreements which includes veto rights and vice president post.

Only if the GCs agree to change the BBF agreements made by Denktash and Makarios back to the 1960 agreements. I don't think they will and you can't force them. The day Denktash agreed of the terms of BBF, is when the TCs lost what they had in the 1960 agreements. To go to something else different from the agreed BBF, it will not look anything like the 1960 agreements. The problem with the TCs is, they have not been paying their insurance premiums for the last 48 years, therefore, their 1960 agreement insurance has already run out. The seats may be empty and waiting, but it does not mean that the TCs will get what they left behind. It will need to be re-negotiated to include Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles and in a Unitary state, since BBF will no longer apply.

[boulio]

I think the majority of g/c would accept a bbf but with limited restrictions for a certain time period and no single country having guranntees.if it is a organization (eu,nato)and when i say organzation i mean with cypriot participation.they owuld allow t/c to administer the northern state however with freedoms and rights enshrined in un and eu documents.

[humanist]

Piratis, the problem for the TCs is that as their incomes fall so their jobs wil be taken over by mainlanders who, if they don't already, will expect the vote. It will be interesting to see if the number of TCs moving south increases as they give up/lose their well paid goverment jobs. It's a difficult choice for the ROC, should it welcome the TCs south in the hope that they will assist in the removal of Turkey from the island or could such a move backfire resulting in genuine Cypriots only occupying 70% - 80% of the island and Turkey the rest. How welcome would the TCs be if they were seen as the cause of a diminished ROC?

Good point. I think the RoC needs to accept TC's we already do. However if there isan increase number moving to the Free Areas, there are towo things that I see as important.

1/ RoC financially supports thse TC"s to rebuild their homes, similar grants that are given to GC refugees should be made available to TC"s wanting to return to their original homes. That shows committments and respect.

2/ No TC should be given a job if they occupy a GC refugee home. If that is the case they have two options. Move to the Free Area and get assistance to rebuild or move out of a refugee home and rent a home from a TC or a Turk. That is the committment TC's need to show to the RoC that they are accepting the RoC as theur nation and will work together with the rest of Cypriots.

3? If Eroglu agrees rebuilding of Varosia will open dialogue, confidence and employment opportunitiese for Cypriots who speak Turkish and live in the occupied area.

[DTA]

We always have the internationally accepted 1960 agreements to fall back on.

Really.?

I thought those agreement are no longer valid due to the new agreement to have a BBF. One of the blunders by Denktash I may add, but then again, he thought the Cyprus Problem was solved in 1974. In any case, the RoC will just ignore it and continue as they are doing today without the TCs involved in the government. The world doesn't seem to mind with the present arrangement at all, are they.??..

But if you were to use the 1960 agreements, then be prepared for the TCs to be sent to jail or exile (their choice) for colluding with the enemy in trying to destroy the Republic of Cyprus and secede from it. Most countries that is punishable by firing squad. Lucky for us TCs, the RoC is in the EU and such punishment is not allowed.

Think of it as an insurance policy, i believe they still have ourr seats reserved in parliament and have to accept us if we decide to claim our rights under the 1960 agreements which includes veto rights and vice president post.

Only if the GCs agree to change the BBF agreements made by Denktash and Makarios back to the 1960 agreements. I don't think they will and you can't force them. The day Denktash agreed of the terms of BBF, is when the TCs lost what they had in the 1960 agreements. To go to something else different from the agreed BBF, it will not look anything like the 1960 agreements. The problem with the TCs is, they have not been paying their insurance premiums for the last 48 years, therefore, their 1960 agreement insurance has already run out. The seats may be empty and waiting, but it does not mean that the TCs will get what they left behind. It will need to be re-negotiated to include Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles and in a Unitary state, since BBF will no longer apply.

is this true?

[DTA]

Humanist with point 2, what about the gcs living in tc homes should they not get jobs?

[Viewpoint]

We always have the internationally accepted 1960 agreements to fall back on.

Really.?

I thought those agreement are no longer valid due to the new agreement to have a BBF. One of the blunders by Denktash I may add, but then again, he thought the Cyprus Problem was solved in 1974. In any case, the RoC will just ignore it and continue as they are doing today without the TCs involved in the government. The world doesn't seem to mind with the present arrangement at all, are they.??..

But if you were to use the 1960 agreements, then be prepared for the TCs to be sent to jail or exile (their choice) for colluding with the enemy in trying to destroy the Republic of Cyprus and secede from it. Most countries that is punishable by firing squad. Lucky for us TCs, the RoC is in the EU and such punishment is not allowed.

Think of it as an insurance policy, i believe they still have ourr seats reserved in parliament and have to accept us if we decide to claim our rights under the 1960 agreements which includes veto rights and vice president post.

Only if the GCs agree to change the BBF agreements made by Denktash and Makarios back to the 1960 agreements. I don't think they will and you can't force them. The day Denktash agreed of the terms of BBF, is when the TCs lost what they had in the 1960 agreements. To go to something else different from the agreed BBF, it will not look anything like the 1960 agreements. The problem with the TCs is, they have not been paying their insurance premiums for the last 48 years, therefore, their 1960 agreement insurance has already run out. The seats may be empty and waiting, but it does not mean that the TCs will get what they left behind. It will need to be re-negotiated to include Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles and in a Unitary state, since BBF will no longer apply.

So in effect the GCs cannot back out of a BBF with out the agreement of the TCs? can you supply independent evidence of this claim?