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Kikapu you may wish yo cloud the issue with land percentages and democracy but the bottom line is you sold us out, you are a traitor and the mouth piece of GC propaganda.

how about being made to eat rubber, glass and other non-digestible items covered in dog poo - before having your arms and legs tied to four race horses facing east, west, north and south respectively, who are simultaneously whipped on their hindquartes so they bolt off at full pelt, tearing you into four pieces?

why dont you just FO.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu you may wish yo cloud the issue with land percentages and democracy but the bottom line is you sold us out, you are a traitor and the mouth piece of GC propaganda.

Spoken like a true Racist Fascist NeoPartitionist!

You mean I have exposed you, that you are only interested in partition and not in any kind of peace at all, and for the fact you are still crying after the Annan plan's demise, it proves my point. You just want partition while keeping all the stolen GC land. Sorry to disappoint you (not really), but you won't get away with it, because the decent TCs are finally waking up and turning against the Fascist's like yourself and against Turkey in wanting their freedom, democracy, Human Rights, international law and the EU Principles and their country they call home, Cyprus.

Dream on.

[quattro]

Kikapu you may wish yo cloud the issue with land percentages and democracy but the bottom line is you sold us out, you are a traitor and the mouth piece of GC propaganda.

Spoken like a true Racist Fascist NeoPartitionist!

You mean I have exposed you, that you are only interested in partition and not in any kind of peace at all, and for the fact you are still crying after the Annan plan's demise, it proves my point. You just want partition while keeping all the stolen GC land. Sorry to disappoint you (not really), but you won't get away with it, because the decent TCs are finally waking up and turning against the Fascist's like yourself and against Turkey in wanting their freedom, democracy, Human Rights, international law and the EU Principles and their country they call home, Cyprus.

Dream on.

How about a nightmare for you

[ZoC]

Kikapu you may wish yo cloud the issue with land percentages and democracy but the bottom line is you sold us out, you are a traitor and the mouth piece of GC propaganda.

how about being made to eat rubber, glass and other non-digestible items covered in dog poo - before having your arms and legs tied to four race horses facing east, west, north and south respectively, who are simultaneously whipped on their hindquartes so they bolt off at full pelt, tearing you into four pieces?

why dont you just FO.

sure. after u FO out of cyprus.

[BirKibrisli]

yes spinmeister...try having your salary reduced by 40% when the cost of living doesn't allow you and see what happens...

you are fucking unbelievable, these protesting tcs are gonna have a hard time feeding themselves and here you are patronising them...

as i said earlier you are sinking to new lows...

Your concern for the welfare of the TCs in the trnc is very touching...
But don't you worry about them...They are used to doing with very little,they survived your onslaught during 1963-74...This is like a Butchers picnic for them...

you thought your smart ass reply was good huh?...NOT good moron...and here are the reasons...

this is today...very certain they won't survive the onslauht of their liberators...but then again you are propably jumping up and down from joy being a self confessed tmt terrorist...tell me how many tcs has your old man killed huh?...and don't lie coz your actions/replies thus far speak volumes...

is it any wonder i call you the spinmeister?...take your patronising attitute and shove it up where the sun don't shine...comprende pentajo?...

sinking low with every post...but being the thickhead that you are you don't even realise it...

the funny thing is when one shows solidarity, empathy and sympathy with the tcs you reject it, and on the other hand demand it...man really have you lost the plot or what?...

go and tell halil his kids wil have to either clean toilets or migrate in the near fyture ans assure him everything will be ok...that's if you got the guts...

i told you earlier you are fast becoming irrelevant in the cyprob discussions...am i right or what?...

You are wrong,boxhead...On all accounts!
I will do my best to sink further in your estimation,because that would mean I am rising in the human values scale...
And as for Halil's kids,they are returning to their roots,and will have the whole of Turkey in which to express themselves,politically,economically and socially...They will break away from the open prison you helped put them in,and they will be freeeeeeeeeee...to roam the whole world,starting from Turkey....Yipppppyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!

[BirKibrisli]

An interesting title for this thread. The way things are going, it is also the end of your party soon.

Not really. The fact that some T/Cs have woken up after all these years just confirms what we have been saying all along.

Meanwhile, as some commentators have argued, Turkey's nationalistic belligerence risks undermining its own best interests - which depends on EU accession. No matter what Erdogan or Bagis say. Turkey needs a solution more than they care to admit. The sticking point is that Turkey wants a solution on its terms - the Annan Plan in other words. Which ignores the reality of the ROC's EU accession. That's where we are today. Turkey wants to turn the clock back to 2004 only this time for the G/Cs to say yes. But that moment has gone and Turkey hasn't come to terms with it yet.

You can add VP to the "living in denial" crowd also.

There are many people here 'living in denial',Kikapu...Other are living with a burning desire for revengeand retribution for real and imaginery crimes in the past...
And some are living in a perpetual cloud of selfsatisfied arrogance and wishful thinking...

The sad conclusion I have come to is that Cypriots are not ready to join the ranks of humanity...They remain tribal animals still functioning on primitive instincts...They have no chance in the world of ever determining their own destiny..They will fight till one side can no longer stand on its feet,and then when they fell they will be kicked to kingdom come...Lets hope that day comes sooner rather than later...Even animals need to be put out of their misery... :(

Come on my friend , Bir. Have more faith in Cypriots to do the right thing amongst themselves than what they have not been allowed to do by outsiders. We do not have a recorded time where Cypriots have been their own masters of their own island, but it does not mean it cannot happen. No one can deny that a lot has happened in the past that would seem that there can never be trust and respect be given to the other side from each side, but history shows us that that is not so. People can change their views if they are treated fair and as equals, and thanks to Cyprus being in the EU, the EU can act as a great catalyst to see that ALL Cypriots are treated fairly and as equals. We have seen what inequality and hatred has done to Cypriots and before we all go to point of no return, it is time for all Cypriots to accept Democracy, Human rights, International Law and the EU Principles. It can only make thing better than what we have had in the past and what we have now. What do we have to lose by trying out Democracy for Cyprus. We have tried out everything else it seems, but to no avail, and if the rest of the west can live with Democracy with all their multi ethnic societies, there is no reason why Cyprus cannot also.

Kikapu.I'd be delighted if the TCs would give democracy a try,and you know that...The point is,they will not do that,after all that happened,and given that the GCs have refused to accept that they have done anything wrong in the past,and blame everything on the TCs...

The GCs didnt give a damn about our feelings back in the 50s and they don't give a damn now..So given the present situation there is no way the GCs will ever get their maximalist demand of a unitary state,full democracy,international law,EU principles etc...The GCs know that and that is why they are refusing to accept anything else...They think they hve the TCs where they want them,and they think they will wait till Turkey has had enough,and decides to leave the TCs on their own,at the mercy of the GCs...That will NEVER happen...So tribalism will go on,and the primitive instincts of revenge,hatred,retribution will win out...There will be war,and one side will be wiped out...You obviously believe that would be the TCs...I am not so sure...

I have a more positive outcome future for the TCs if they do accept the western principles on Democracy for a settlement, and since the RoC is in the EU, I really do not think the TCs have any other options but to have a settlement based on those principles. If it's good enough for the rest of the EU members, it will be for Cyprus also. The EU is not going to make an exception, at least not on the long term on their basic EU Principles just to accommodate the TCs. Hell, even Turkey agrees with those principles by wanting to join the EU, whether they are serious or not is irrelevant, because that's the signal they are giving, and if they are not serious and that they are just trying to deceive the EU with what ever agenda they may have, then how can anyone trust Turkey to do the right thing in the future concerning Cyprus, or had the AP passed in 2004.?

Mate,you are an incorrigible optimist...I sincerely hope you are right and I am wrong..But,i am curious,what do you think will be the value of any 'democracy' if you have to threaten,terrorise,isolate ,and starve people to accept it???

[Get Real!]

Mate,you are an incorrigible optimist...

That’s like saying…

“You never learn from your mistake of being positive!”

[BirKibrisli]

Mate,you are an incorrigible optimist...

That’s like saying…

“You never learn from your mistake of being positive!”

You had enough to drink for one night,GR...Be a good boy,go to bed!

[boomerang]

An interesting title for this thread. The way things are going, it is also the end of your party soon.

Not really. The fact that some T/Cs have woken up after all these years just confirms what we have been saying all along.

Meanwhile, as some commentators have argued, Turkey's nationalistic belligerence risks undermining its own best interests - which depends on EU accession. No matter what Erdogan or Bagis say. Turkey needs a solution more than they care to admit. The sticking point is that Turkey wants a solution on its terms - the Annan Plan in other words. Which ignores the reality of the ROC's EU accession. That's where we are today. Turkey wants to turn the clock back to 2004 only this time for the G/Cs to say yes. But that moment has gone and Turkey hasn't come to terms with it yet.

You can add VP to the "living in denial" crowd also.

There are many people here 'living in denial',Kikapu...Other are living with a burning desire for revengeand retribution for real and imaginery crimes in the past...
And some are living in a perpetual cloud of selfsatisfied arrogance and wishful thinking...

The sad conclusion I have come to is that Cypriots are not ready to join the ranks of humanity...They remain tribal animals still functioning on primitive instincts...They have no chance in the world of ever determining their own destiny..They will fight till one side can no longer stand on its feet,and then when they fell they will be kicked to kingdom come...Lets hope that day comes sooner rather than later...Even animals need to be put out of their misery... :(

Come on my friend , Bir. Have more faith in Cypriots to do the right thing amongst themselves than what they have not been allowed to do by outsiders. We do not have a recorded time where Cypriots have been their own masters of their own island, but it does not mean it cannot happen. No one can deny that a lot has happened in the past that would seem that there can never be trust and respect be given to the other side from each side, but history shows us that that is not so. People can change their views if they are treated fair and as equals, and thanks to Cyprus being in the EU, the EU can act as a great catalyst to see that ALL Cypriots are treated fairly and as equals. We have seen what inequality and hatred has done to Cypriots and before we all go to point of no return, it is time for all Cypriots to accept Democracy, Human rights, International Law and the EU Principles. It can only make thing better than what we have had in the past and what we have now. What do we have to lose by trying out Democracy for Cyprus. We have tried out everything else it seems, but to no avail, and if the rest of the west can live with Democracy with all their multi ethnic societies, there is no reason why Cyprus cannot also.

Kikapu.I'd be delighted if the TCs would give democracy a try,and you know that...The point is,they will not do that,after all that happened,and given that the GCs have refused to accept that they have done anything wrong in the past,and blame everything on the TCs...

The GCs didnt give a damn about our feelings back in the 50s and they don't give a damn now..So given the present situation there is no way the GCs will ever get their maximalist demand of a unitary state,full democracy,international law,EU principles etc...The GCs know that and that is why they are refusing to accept anything else...They think they hve the TCs where they want them,and they think they will wait till Turkey has had enough,and decides to leave the TCs on their own,at the mercy of the GCs...That will NEVER happen...So tribalism will go on,and the primitive instincts of revenge,hatred,retribution will win out...There will be war,and one side will be wiped out...You obviously believe that would be the TCs...I am not so sure...

I have a more positive outcome future for the TCs if they do accept the western principles on Democracy for a settlement, and since the RoC is in the EU, I really do not think the TCs have any other options but to have a settlement based on those principles. If it's good enough for the rest of the EU members, it will be for Cyprus also. The EU is not going to make an exception, at least not on the long term on their basic EU Principles just to accommodate the TCs. Hell, even Turkey agrees with those principles by wanting to join the EU, whether they are serious or not is irrelevant, because that's the signal they are giving, and if they are not serious and that they are just trying to deceive the EU with what ever agenda they may have, then how can anyone trust Turkey to do the right thing in the future concerning Cyprus, or had the AP passed in 2004.?

Mate,you are an incorrigible optimist...I sincerely hope you are right and I am wrong..But,i am curious,what do you think will be the value of any 'democracy' if you have to threaten,terrorise,isolate ,and starve people to accept it???

i don't know but i think the kurds might have a fair idea...