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Not at all your plan gave the GCs everything they wanted, can you deny this? Under your model could the TCs be pushed into minority status? try and be honest and not write paragraphs upon paragraphs of excuses.

I gave the TCs everything they wanted, including built in veto power. The GCs are not too crazy about BBF or Rotating Presidency, but I gave that to you also. What the GCs got in my plan was a Democracy with some compromise made on their part, but in return, they got most of the land belonging to the 180,000 GC refugees back to be part of the south state.

TCs are a minority, so what are you talking about. You show me where the TCs can be the majority?

Despite of that, my plan gave the TCs 50% power in the upper house as well as 99% say so in the north state, providing they reduced the north state by 50%. I even added the "Grandfathered- in Population" rule to maintain the north state as a majority TC in perpetuity. Your problem is, you do not want to give back 50% of the north back. The more land you keep in the north, the less chance you will have to maintain the north as a TC majority. This is not Rocket Science to figure out, specially if you now agree to have a Democratic and Human Rights in Cyprus.

I hope the above was not too long of an explanation for you.

You are not answering my question, can your plan be manipulated to a degree where the TCs are pushed to one side with no effective say?

A Yes or No will do. Please be honest.

[Kikapu]

Not at all your plan gave the GCs everything they wanted, can you deny this? Under your model could the TCs be pushed into minority status? try and be honest and not write paragraphs upon paragraphs of excuses.

I gave the TCs everything they wanted, including built in veto power. The GCs are not too crazy about BBF or Rotating Presidency, but I gave that to you also. What the GCs got in my plan was a Democracy with some compromise made on their part, but in return, they got most of the land belonging to the 180,000 GC refugees back to be part of the south state.

TCs are a minority, so what are you talking about. You show me where the TCs can be the majority?

Despite of that, my plan gave the TCs 50% power in the upper house as well as 99% say so in the north state, providing they reduced the north state by 50%. I even added the "Grandfathered- in Population" rule to maintain the north state as a majority TC in perpetuity. Your problem is, you do not want to give back 50% of the north back. The more land you keep in the north, the less chance you will have to maintain the north as a TC majority. This is not Rocket Science to figure out, specially if you now agree to have a Democratic and Human Rights in Cyprus.

I hope the above was not too long of an explanation for you.

You are not answering my question, can your plan be manipulated to a degree where the TCs are pushed to one side with no effective say?

A Yes or No will do. Please be honest.

A "no" under the above scenario, but go ahead and prove me wrong with your scenarios if you can. Your ONLY danger will be, if a GC candidate for the upper house is chosen by the GCs living in the north along with a lot of TCs who are also living in the north, or, many of the TCs living in the north decide to leave the north and go and live in the south, just because there may be better opportunities, in which case, you have to blame the TCs for that outcome, but if the TCs are not bothered who is in the upper house, that it will be their choice. Regardless of what happens in the upper house, it does not change anything with majority-minority of the population, so it will not make too much difference to the TCs in the north state, since they will still control 99% of that state politically, as long as they return 50% of the north back. Lets not forget your greatest worries if the upper house should become majority GCs in the unlikely event, that your main concerns were, that the GCs will:

1. Stop trade with Turkey.

2. Ban Turkish workers.

3. Ban Casinos.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=40

So much for your concerns for the TCs in becoming a minority and not have a say so in their future. All you are concerned about is what effect it might have on Turkey and the settlers. Gambling will be a state matter as long as it is protected in the Federal Constitution.

[humanist]

VP sometimes I read your posts and I cannot make sense of it. You are concerned about being a minority within the RoC .... your a bloody minority now in the trnc, what's more in the trnce and in case of recognition you'll have no ositions in government becuae the Turkish authorities will appoint people they want in psitions of power to make their decisions. But goof luck with that model. It will give us something to laugh about in the future.

[Viewpoint]

VP sometimes I read your posts and I cannot make sense of it. You are concerned about being a minority within the RoC .... your a bloody minority now in the trnc, what's more in the trnce and in case of recognition you'll have no ositions in government becuae the Turkish authorities will appoint people they want in psitions of power to make their decisions. But goof luck with that model. It will give us something to laugh about in the future.

humanist how clearer can I be, this is preferred one thousand fold to what you are offering, why do you have such difficulty understanding this?

[boomerang]

short term gains, long term disaster for the tcs, as it has been proven...financing the north but taking back 3 to 4 times back...

highway robbery...

[Viewpoint]

Not at all your plan gave the GCs everything they wanted, can you deny this? Under your model could the TCs be pushed into minority status? try and be honest and not write paragraphs upon paragraphs of excuses.

I gave the TCs everything they wanted, including built in veto power. The GCs are not too crazy about BBF or Rotating Presidency, but I gave that to you also. What the GCs got in my plan was a Democracy with some compromise made on their part, but in return, they got most of the land belonging to the 180,000 GC refugees back to be part of the south state.

TCs are a minority, so what are you talking about. You show me where the TCs can be the majority?

Despite of that, my plan gave the TCs 50% power in the upper house as well as 99% say so in the north state, providing they reduced the north state by 50%. I even added the "Grandfathered- in Population" rule to maintain the north state as a majority TC in perpetuity. Your problem is, you do not want to give back 50% of the north back. The more land you keep in the north, the less chance you will have to maintain the north as a TC majority. This is not Rocket Science to figure out, specially if you now agree to have a Democratic and Human Rights in Cyprus.

I hope the above was not too long of an explanation for you.

You are not answering my question, can your plan be manipulated to a degree where the TCs are pushed to one side with no effective say?

A Yes or No will do. Please be honest.

A "no" under the above scenario, but go ahead and prove me wrong with your scenarios if you can. Your ONLY danger will be, if a GC candidate for the upper house is chosen by the GCs living in the north along with a lot of TCs who are also living in the north, or, many of the TCs living in the north decide to leave the north and go and live in the south, just because there may be better opportunities, in which case, you have to blame the TCs for that outcome, but if the TCs are not bothered who is in the upper house, that it will be their choice. Regardless of what happens in the upper house, it does not change anything with majority-minority of the population, so it will not make too much difference to the TCs in the north state, since they will still control 99% of that state politically, as long as they return 50% of the north back. Lets not forget your greatest worries if the upper house should become majority GCs in the unlikely event, that your main concerns were, that the GCs will:

1. Stop trade with Turkey.

2. Ban Turkish workers.

3. Ban Casinos.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=40

So much for your concerns for the TCs in becoming a minority and not have a say so in their future. All you are concerned about is what effect it might have on Turkey and the settlers. Gambling will be a state matter as long as it is protected in the Federal Constitution.

You are yet again contradicting yourself, you said no then you when onto to clearly state that the GCs can take power in the upper power where you claim we have veto rights, one lost seat in the upper house for whatever reason will mean the TCs are brushed to one side yet again leaving the GCs to pass which ever law they saw fit to the detriment of the TC state, we will never let this happen, thats why your plan has been rejected time and time again.

[boomerang]

is it any wonder as to why the turks do not truust you?...you do not trust each other ffs...

[Viewpoint]

is it any wonder as to why the turks do not truust you?...you do not trust each other ffs...

Not your problem.

[ZoC]

is it any wonder as to why the turks do not truust you?...you do not trust each other ffs...

Not your problem.

it may not be boomer's problem but i lay awake at night worrying about the lack of trust between the turds and the latriners.

[Viewpoint]

is it any wonder as to why the turks do not truust you?...you do not trust each other ffs...

Not your problem.

it may not be boomer's problem but i lay awake at night worrying about the lack of trust between the turds and the latriners.

Good.