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There is no way the GCs will ever get their maximalist demand of a unitary state,full democracy,international law,EU principles etc...The GCs know that and that is why they are refusing to accept anything else...

Are you serious? A "unitary state, democracy, international law, EU principles etc" is our minimum demand. Why do you think we would accept any less than any one of these? Why on earth are T/Cs demanding something less than unity, democracy, international law etc? With stupid and profoundly reactionary views like this is it any wonder there is a stalemate in the current talks?

We can have all this under a BBF.

[Get Real!]

There is no way the GCs will ever get their maximalist demand of a unitary state,full democracy,international law,EU principles etc...

You call the above maximalist? They are PREREQUISITE in the 21st century!


This twit is so fucked in the head... I don't know why you lot bother responding to his stupidities!

[boomerang]

Birturk forgets a lot of tcs cross over daily for employment in government and private industry...how come if there is hate and animosity these tcs get employed?...birturk is part of the problem...he is a TMT yesterday's dinosaur....

Yeah,these people who cross over for work...why do they go back at the end of the day??? Why don't they just move their house to the South,and send their kids to GC schools??? The problem ,my friend,is people who think like you do,and only see what they want to see...Ignore what doesn't suit them,and naively believe all will be well if you wait long enough...There will never be a solution this way,and things will eventually come to a head,and the next war will make all the previous ones like a picnic in the park....You have been warned...

you need some degree of intelligence here birturk...the point that flew over the melon sitting on your shoulders, is employment...if tcs were hated why would someone employ them?...especially in the private sector, since just about every gc is touched by the cyprob..you really need to read before you open your mouth...

if the tcs were hated as you claim there would have been YOK employment in the private sector...

as i said you are part of the problem...not the solution...

[Kikapu]

There is no way the GCs will ever get their maximalist demand of a unitary state,full democracy,international law,EU principles etc...The GCs know that and that is why they are refusing to accept anything else...

Are you serious? A "unitary state, democracy, international law, EU principles etc" is our minimum demand. Why do you think we would accept any less than any one of these? Why on earth are T/Cs demanding something less than unity, democracy, international law etc? With stupid and profoundly reactionary views like this is it any wonder there is a stalemate in the current talks?

We can have all this under a BBF.

I gave you a BBF plan, but you didn't like it, just because it had too much Democracy and Human Rights for your liking, even though it was not quiet True Democracy, but close enough to entice the TCs for a new beginning.

[Viewpoint]

There is no way the GCs will ever get their maximalist demand of a unitary state,full democracy,international law,EU principles etc...The GCs know that and that is why they are refusing to accept anything else...

Are you serious? A "unitary state, democracy, international law, EU principles etc" is our minimum demand. Why do you think we would accept any less than any one of these? Why on earth are T/Cs demanding something less than unity, democracy, international law etc? With stupid and profoundly reactionary views like this is it any wonder there is a stalemate in the current talks?

We can have all this under a BBF.

I gave you a BBF plan, but you didn't like it, just because it had too much Democracy and Human Rights for your liking, even though it was not quiet True Democracy, but close enough to entice the TCs for a new beginning.

Not at all I rejected it because you used "democracy and human rights" to sell us out. Take out the dangers and we may have a deal.

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There is no way the GCs will ever get their maximalist demand of a unitary state,full democracy,international law,EU principles etc...The GCs know that and that is why they are refusing to accept anything else...

Are you serious? A "unitary state, democracy, international law, EU principles etc" is our minimum demand. Why do you think we would accept any less than any one of these? Why on earth are T/Cs demanding something less than unity, democracy, international law etc? With stupid and profoundly reactionary views like this is it any wonder there is a stalemate in the current talks?

We can have all this under a BBF.

I gave you a BBF plan, but you didn't like it, just because it had too much Democracy and Human Rights for your liking, even though it was not quiet True Democracy, but close enough to entice the TCs for a new beginning.

Not at all I rejected it because you used "democracy and human rights" to sell us out. Take out the dangers and we may have a deal.

So democracy and human rights for you means Danger your brain cells are beyond repair VP.

[Viewpoint]

There is no way the GCs will ever get their maximalist demand of a unitary state,full democracy,international law,EU principles etc...The GCs know that and that is why they are refusing to accept anything else...

Are you serious? A "unitary state, democracy, international law, EU principles etc" is our minimum demand. Why do you think we would accept any less than any one of these? Why on earth are T/Cs demanding something less than unity, democracy, international law etc? With stupid and profoundly reactionary views like this is it any wonder there is a stalemate in the current talks?

We can have all this under a BBF.

I gave you a BBF plan, but you didn't like it, just because it had too much Democracy and Human Rights for your liking, even though it was not quiet True Democracy, but close enough to entice the TCs for a new beginning.

Not at all I rejected it because you used "democracy and human rights" to sell us out. Take out the dangers and we may have a deal.

So democracy and human rights for you means Danger your brain cells are beyond repair VP.

If a plan allows the GCs the freedom to take control of the whole island and brush the effective say of the TCs to one side using "democracy" then how do you expect us to accept such dangers, we would prefer to stay as we are.

[Kikapu]

There is no way the GCs will ever get their maximalist demand of a unitary state,full democracy,international law,EU principles etc...The GCs know that and that is why they are refusing to accept anything else...

Are you serious? A "unitary state, democracy, international law, EU principles etc" is our minimum demand. Why do you think we would accept any less than any one of these? Why on earth are T/Cs demanding something less than unity, democracy, international law etc? With stupid and profoundly reactionary views like this is it any wonder there is a stalemate in the current talks?

We can have all this under a BBF.

I gave you a BBF plan, but you didn't like it, just because it had too much Democracy and Human Rights for your liking, even though it was not quiet True Democracy, but close enough to entice the TCs for a new beginning.

Not at all I rejected it because you used "democracy and human rights" to sell us out. Take out the dangers and we may have a deal.

Democracy and Human Rights, two of the basic rights afforded to all EU citizens, and you want to ban it in Cyprus just because it would destroy your Taksim Dreams. I got it.!

So it had nothing to do with not wanting to return 50% of the north back, keeping most GCs out of the north, wanting undemocratic means to retain the upper house under TC control, leave the door open to secede from the union to be achieved by causing a constitutional crisis by withdrawing those said TC senators from the government and on and on and on.

[Viewpoint]

Not at all your plan gave the GCs everything they wanted, can you deny this? Under your model could the TCs be pushed into minority status? try and be honest and not write paragraphs upon paragraphs of excuses.

[Kikapu]

Not at all your plan gave the GCs everything they wanted, can you deny this? Under your model could the TCs be pushed into minority status? try and be honest and not write paragraphs upon paragraphs of excuses.

I gave the TCs everything they wanted, including built in veto power. The GCs are not too crazy about BBF or Rotating Presidency, but I gave that to you also. What the GCs got in my plan was a Democracy with some compromise made on their part, but in return, they got most of the land belonging to the 180,000 GC refugees back to be part of the south state.

TCs are a minority, so what are you talking about. You show me where the TCs can be the majority?

Despite of that, my plan gave the TCs 50% power in the upper house as well as 99% say so in the north state, providing they reduced the north state by 50%. I even added the "Grandfathered- in Population" rule to maintain the north state as a majority TC in perpetuity. Your problem is, you do not want to give back 50% of the north back. The more land you keep in the north, the less chance you will have to maintain the north as a TC majority. This is not Rocket Science to figure out, specially if you now agree to have a Democratic and Human Rights in Cyprus.

I hope the above was not too long of an explanation for you.