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[BirKibrisli]

Easy! Wait for the balance of power to change and pounce. But, will the enemy wait or will it heed Piratis's war cry and take pre emptive action?

They will wait because they have no excuse to take any pre emptive action, while we will have every right to liberate our own lands when the balance of power will allow this.

The ROC certainly does have the right to liberate the north from the illegal occupying force but how are you going to do this or do you have a cunning "Baldrick" style plan that you do not wish to divulge?

If you asked the Latvians in say 1975 how they would liberate themselves from USSR do you thin they would have a plan? If you asked the Greeks in 1600 how they would liberate themselves from the Ottomans, do you think they would have a plan?

The balance of power constantly changes. What we should do is be prepared so when it changes we will be able to take advantage of it. Prepared in this case means: Maintaining our rights over the whole island. Maintaining a decent army that can handle the Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus. Create good relationships with other nations with whom we have common interests.

And keep in mind that I never talked about a 1 on 1 war between Cyprus and Turkey.

I am not a future teller, but if you insist on a possible scenario, here it is: Turkey fails to gain access to the EU. It turns to the east and becomes close to Iran and other Islamic countries. Soon after it turns into an Islamic Theocracy itself, and loses the support of the USA. At some point it attempts, along with other Islamic countries, to destroy Israel. Israel, USA and EU cooperate and win the war. Greece and Cyprus played an important part in the war against Turkey. To punish Turkey and ensure that it will never again gain that degree of power, the allies return north Cyprus to RoC, while they divide Turkey by recognizing an independent Kurdish state.

So you are basing your 'liberation' scenario on the almost non existent possibility of the clash of civilisations ignated by religious differences...
Very wise...Have you ever considered what Cyprus would look like at the aftermath of such a devastating clash??? Do you think there will be one Cypriot still standing??? Or one city still habitable??? I am lost for words...All I can say is 'good luck'...With ideas like this,you might need more than luck though...

Don't be so foolish! A clash of civilizations is inevitable as night is to day. Humankind will be ravaged and will fall into a new Dark Age. What is uncertain, is who will have the upper hand. But what is certain is that this clash of civilizations will be a war of unprecedented scale and magnitude and where humankind will lose all reason. What is also certain is this major event
will result in massive balance of power shifts, which also gradually change over time.

We have not learnt from past mistakes, and humanity is not as enlightened as we seem to think. Humanity has not changed much from the days of Alexander The Great. Today's superpower is no different, and future superpowers have the potential of being far worse than Nazi Germany even.

These are the most likely scenarios, and if you follow world affairs then you should realize how close we already are to such a calamity of prophetic proportions:

1. A war between China, North Korea against South Korea, also involving Japan, Taiwan and allies,
2. A war between a united Islamic (Arabic) Front against Israel,
3. A war between a Taliban controlled Pakistan and India,
4. A war between an adventurous China against Russia, Japan, South Korea and other staunch US allies such as Australia in particular, who now base forward Defence Planning on the prospect of containing China with US assistance.

Scenario 1 is the most likely at present, followed by scenario 3. Scenario 2 will have the largest impact on Cyprus, whilst scenario 4 is the least likely at the moment.

It is not a question of whether such an event will occur or not. It is a question of when! Australia spends 20 Billion USD on Defence each year buying top shelf hardware which is normally not available to UK, Canada, NATO, or even Israel. We are talking about Strategic strike capability with stealth F22s. The reason is that there is a great deal of trust between the 2 allies. But the biggest reason is the small matter of containing China once it begins to change its posture.

All this will have a profound effect on Cyprus. Scenario 2 will have the boggest effect on the East Mediterranean balance of power.

You wouldn't be in the arms sales business,would you????

[Piratis]

Easy! Wait for the balance of power to change and pounce. But, will the enemy wait or will it heed Piratis's war cry and take pre emptive action?

They will wait because they have no excuse to take any pre emptive action, while we will have every right to liberate our own lands when the balance of power will allow this.

The ROC certainly does have the right to liberate the north from the illegal occupying force but how are you going to do this or do you have a cunning "Baldrick" style plan that you do not wish to divulge?

If you asked the Latvians in say 1975 how they would liberate themselves from USSR do you thin they would have a plan? If you asked the Greeks in 1600 how they would liberate themselves from the Ottomans, do you think they would have a plan?

The balance of power constantly changes. What we should do is be prepared so when it changes we will be able to take advantage of it. Prepared in this case means: Maintaining our rights over the whole island. Maintaining a decent army that can handle the Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus. Create good relationships with other nations with whom we have common interests.

And keep in mind that I never talked about a 1 on 1 war between Cyprus and Turkey.

I am not a future teller, but if you insist on a possible scenario, here it is: Turkey fails to gain access to the EU. It turns to the east and becomes close to Iran and other Islamic countries. Soon after it turns into an Islamic Theocracy itself, and loses the support of the USA. At some point it attempts, along with other Islamic countries, to destroy Israel. Israel, USA and EU cooperate and win the war. Greece and Cyprus played an important part in the war against Turkey. To punish Turkey and ensure that it will never again gain that degree of power, the allies return north Cyprus to RoC, while they divide Turkey by recognizing an independent Kurdish state.

So you are basing your 'liberation' scenario on the almost non existent possibility of the clash of civilisations ignated by religious differences...
Very wise...Have you ever considered what Cyprus would look like at the aftermath of such a devastating clash??? Do you think there will be one Cypriot still standing??? Or one city still habitable??? I am lost for words...All I can say is 'good luck'...With ideas like this,you might need more than luck though...

I think such a clash is far more likely than what you believe, but that was just one example.

A war was not my choice. My choice was democracy. No conflicts, no casualties. Just votes. People cast their votes and a decision is democratically taken. Unfortunately you rejected this method of taking decisions. You choose the method were what happens is decided by how much military power each side has and imposing your will by brute force. Therefore you don't give us any other way of ruling our own island. Do you?

If you were not so stubborn to impose your will on the TCs,we could've been living happily ever after in the Roc according to the 1960 constitution and international agreements...You still have the chance to share power with us via a BBF...If you insist on your maximum demands you will have to wait for your'balance of power change', and try your luck on the battle field...Good luck!

We will wait for the balance of power to change, and when it does, we will remember that you supported a "solution" based on ethnic cleansing and the violation of human rights. We will give you a solution just like that.

[lovernomore]

Easy! Wait for the balance of power to change and pounce. But, will the enemy wait or will it heed Piratis's war cry and take pre emptive action?

They will wait because they have no excuse to take any pre emptive action, while we will have every right to liberate our own lands when the balance of power will allow this.

The ROC certainly does have the right to liberate the north from the illegal occupying force but how are you going to do this or do you have a cunning "Baldrick" style plan that you do not wish to divulge?

If you asked the Latvians in say 1975 how they would liberate themselves from USSR do you thin they would have a plan? If you asked the Greeks in 1600 how they would liberate themselves from the Ottomans, do you think they would have a plan?

The balance of power constantly changes. What we should do is be prepared so when it changes we will be able to take advantage of it. Prepared in this case means: Maintaining our rights over the whole island. Maintaining a decent army that can handle the Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus. Create good relationships with other nations with whom we have common interests.

And keep in mind that I never talked about a 1 on 1 war between Cyprus and Turkey.

I am not a future teller, but if you insist on a possible scenario, here it is: Turkey fails to gain access to the EU. It turns to the east and becomes close to Iran and other Islamic countries. Soon after it turns into an Islamic Theocracy itself, and loses the support of the USA. At some point it attempts, along with other Islamic countries, to destroy Israel. Israel, USA and EU cooperate and win the war. Greece and Cyprus played an important part in the war against Turkey. To punish Turkey and ensure that it will never again gain that degree of power, the allies return north Cyprus to RoC, while they divide Turkey by recognizing an independent Kurdish state.

So you are basing your 'liberation' scenario on the almost non existent possibility of the clash of civilisations ignated by religious differences...
Very wise...Have you ever considered what Cyprus would look like at the aftermath of such a devastating clash??? Do you think there will be one Cypriot still standing??? Or one city still habitable??? I am lost for words...All I can say is 'good luck'...With ideas like this,you might need more than luck though...

I think such a clash is far more likely than what you believe, but that was just one example.

A war was not my choice. My choice was democracy. No conflicts, no casualties. Just votes. People cast their votes and a decision is democratically taken. Unfortunately you rejected this method of taking decisions. You choose the method were what happens is decided by how much military power each side has and imposing your will by brute force. Therefore you don't give us any other way of ruling our own island. Do you?

If you were not so stubborn to impose your will on the TCs,we could've been living happily ever after in the Roc according to the 1960 constitution and international agreements...You still have the chance to share power with us via a BBF...If you insist on your maximum demands you will have to wait for your'balance of power change', and try your luck on the battle field...Good luck!

We will wait for the balance of power to change, and when it does, we will remember that you supported a "solution" based on ethnic cleansing and the violation of human rights. We will give you a solution just like that.

[Hermes]

An interesting title for this thread. The way things are going, it is also the end of your party soon.

Not really. The fact that some T/Cs have woken up after all these years just confirms what we have been saying all along.

Meanwhile, as some commentators have argued, Turkey's nationalistic belligerence risks undermining its own best interests - which depends on EU accession. No matter what Erdogan or Bagis say. Turkey needs a solution more than they care to admit. The sticking point is that Turkey wants a solution on its terms - the Annan Plan in other words. Which ignores the reality of the ROC's EU accession. That's where we are today. Turkey wants to turn the clock back to 2004 only this time for the G/Cs to say yes. But that moment has gone and Turkey hasn't come to terms with it yet.

[Kikapu]

An interesting title for this thread. The way things are going, it is also the end of your party soon.

Not really. The fact that some T/Cs have woken up after all these years just confirms what we have been saying all along.

Meanwhile, as some commentators have argued, Turkey's nationalistic belligerence risks undermining its own best interests - which depends on EU accession. No matter what Erdogan or Bagis say. Turkey needs a solution more than they care to admit. The sticking point is that Turkey wants a solution on its terms - the Annan Plan in other words. Which ignores the reality of the ROC's EU accession. That's where we are today. Turkey wants to turn the clock back to 2004 only this time for the G/Cs to say yes. But that moment has gone and Turkey hasn't come to terms with it yet.

You can add VP to the "living in denial" crowd also.

[BirKibrisli]

Easy! Wait for the balance of power to change and pounce. But, will the enemy wait or will it heed Piratis's war cry and take pre emptive action?

They will wait because they have no excuse to take any pre emptive action, while we will have every right to liberate our own lands when the balance of power will allow this.

The ROC certainly does have the right to liberate the north from the illegal occupying force but how are you going to do this or do you have a cunning "Baldrick" style plan that you do not wish to divulge?

If you asked the Latvians in say 1975 how they would liberate themselves from USSR do you thin they would have a plan? If you asked the Greeks in 1600 how they would liberate themselves from the Ottomans, do you think they would have a plan?

The balance of power constantly changes. What we should do is be prepared so when it changes we will be able to take advantage of it. Prepared in this case means: Maintaining our rights over the whole island. Maintaining a decent army that can handle the Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus. Create good relationships with other nations with whom we have common interests.

And keep in mind that I never talked about a 1 on 1 war between Cyprus and Turkey.

I am not a future teller, but if you insist on a possible scenario, here it is: Turkey fails to gain access to the EU. It turns to the east and becomes close to Iran and other Islamic countries. Soon after it turns into an Islamic Theocracy itself, and loses the support of the USA. At some point it attempts, along with other Islamic countries, to destroy Israel. Israel, USA and EU cooperate and win the war. Greece and Cyprus played an important part in the war against Turkey. To punish Turkey and ensure that it will never again gain that degree of power, the allies return north Cyprus to RoC, while they divide Turkey by recognizing an independent Kurdish state.

So you are basing your 'liberation' scenario on the almost non existent possibility of the clash of civilisations ignated by religious differences...
Very wise...Have you ever considered what Cyprus would look like at the aftermath of such a devastating clash??? Do you think there will be one Cypriot still standing??? Or one city still habitable??? I am lost for words...All I can say is 'good luck'...With ideas like this,you might need more than luck though...

I think such a clash is far more likely than what you believe, but that was just one example.

A war was not my choice. My choice was democracy. No conflicts, no casualties. Just votes. People cast their votes and a decision is democratically taken. Unfortunately you rejected this method of taking decisions. You choose the method were what happens is decided by how much military power each side has and imposing your will by brute force. Therefore you don't give us any other way of ruling our own island. Do you?

If you were not so stubborn to impose your will on the TCs,we could've been living happily ever after in the Roc according to the 1960 constitution and international agreements...You still have the chance to share power with us via a BBF...If you insist on your maximum demands you will have to wait for your'balance of power change', and try your luck on the battle field...Good luck!

We will wait for the balance of power to change, and when it does, we will remember that you supported a "solution" based on ethnic cleansing and the violation of human rights. We will give you a solution just like that.

Thank you,Piratis...We are under no illusion that you will be doing anything else...You have been trying to do it since 1950s...Beter luck next time...But I am afraid neiither of us will live long enough to see that day...You can be proud of the present you will leave your children,a package of bitterness ,hatred,and desire for revenge...I am sure of one thing now,Cyprus is too small for two communities,one of them will have to go...With people like you around,there is no other option...

[boomerang]

the tide has already turned from the insight...there will be no violence...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=33532

[BirKibrisli]

An interesting title for this thread. The way things are going, it is also the end of your party soon.

Not really. The fact that some T/Cs have woken up after all these years just confirms what we have been saying all along.

Meanwhile, as some commentators have argued, Turkey's nationalistic belligerence risks undermining its own best interests - which depends on EU accession. No matter what Erdogan or Bagis say. Turkey needs a solution more than they care to admit. The sticking point is that Turkey wants a solution on its terms - the Annan Plan in other words. Which ignores the reality of the ROC's EU accession. That's where we are today. Turkey wants to turn the clock back to 2004 only this time for the G/Cs to say yes. But that moment has gone and Turkey hasn't come to terms with it yet.

You can add VP to the "living in denial" crowd also.

There are many people here 'living in denial',Kikapu...Other are living with a burning desire for revengeand retribution for real and imaginery crimes in the past...
And some are living in a perpetual cloud of selfsatisfied arrogance and wishful thinking...

The sad conclusion I have come to is that Cypriots are not ready to join the ranks of humanity...They remain tribal animals still functioning on primitive instincts...They have no chance in the world of ever determining their own destiny..They will fight till one side can no longer stand on its feet,and then when they fell they will be kicked to kingdom come...Lets hope that day comes sooner rather than later...Even animals need to be put out of their misery...

[boomerang]

you should be kinder when taling about tcs...it's bad enough the turks calling you parasites...shame on you...

[BirKibrisli]

you should be kinder when taling about tcs...it's bad enough the turks calling you parasites...shame on you...

Anlayana sivrisinek saz,anlamayana davul zurna az....

Rough translation :He who want to hear will hear the buzz of a mosquito,and He who has no intention of hearing will ignore the sound of a drum...

Comprendre amigo???