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[Piratis]

Good article and good comment by Erhan.

The TCs have been brainwashed by Turkey for decades that supposedly they are not a minority in Cyprus and they are some special super community that deserves a lot more powers than those that minorities have in all other democratic countries. So much was the brainwashing that the TCs were actually convinced that they even deserve to have their own country on land stolen from us!

The fact is of course that TCs are a minority, and they do not deserve to rule by themselves over land that belongs to us by over 80%, nor the super powers and privileges that were promised to them on the expense of the democratic rights of every other Cypriot.

They funny thing is that not even Turkey itself believes the crap that she has been brainwashing TCs with. The TCs are useful to Turkey in only one way: To serve as her excuse to occupy north Cyprus. Once she gradually replaces the TC population with a majority of mainland Turks, the TCs will become useless to Turkey and she will tell them in no uncertain terms that they are a tiny minority of 0.2% of Turks and they should shut up and do as they are told.

However I am personally surprised that this started to happen already. I thought that while the Settlers are the majority, the TCs are still the majority among those who can vote (am I wrong?). I would expect Turkey to do this move when Settlers where over 60% of the people with voting rights. This was blander by Erdogan, but unfortunately the TCs are too stupid and too brainwashed to realize this early warning, and they will let Turkey complete her plan of rendering them useless.

[Jerry]

Good article and good comment by Erhan.

The TCs have been brainwashed by Turkey for decades that supposedly they are not a minority in Cyprus and they are some special super community that deserves a lot more powers than those that minorities have in all other democratic countries. So much was the brainwashing that the TCs were actually convinced that they even deserve to have their own country on land stolen from us!

The fact is of course that TCs are a minority, and they do not deserve to rule by themselves over land that belongs to us by over 80%, nor the super powers and privileges that were promised to them on the expense of the democratic rights of every other Cypriot.

They funny thing is that not even Turkey itself believes the crap that she has been brainwashing TCs with. The TCs are useful to Turkey in only one way: To serve as her excuse to occupy north Cyprus. Once she gradually replaces the TC population with a majority of mainland Turks, the TCs will become useless to Turkey and she will tell them in no uncertain terms that they are a tiny minority of 0.2% of Turks and they should shut up and do as they are told.

However I am personally surprised that this started to happen already. I thought that while the Settlers are the majority, the TCs are still the majority among those who can vote (am I wrong?). I would expect Turkey to do this move when Settlers where over 60% of the people with voting rights. This was blander by Erdogan, but unfortunately the TCs are too stupid and too brainwashed to realize this early warning, and they will let Turkey complete her plan of rendering them useless.

Piratis, the problem for the TCs is that as their incomes fall so their jobs wil be taken over by mainlanders who, if they don't already, will expect the vote. It will be interesting to see if the number of TCs moving south increases as they give up/lose their well paid goverment jobs. It's a difficult choice for the ROC, should it welcome the TCs south in the hope that they will assist in the removal of Turkey from the island or could such a move backfire resulting in genuine Cypriots only occupying 70% - 80% of the island and Turkey the rest. How welcome would the TCs be if they were seen as the cause of a diminished ROC?

[DTA]

lets put it another way if Turkey (as you see it) has not returned an inch of cyprus for the TCs who although are Turkic in origin are seen by nationalists in Turkey as Bozuk gunli "ruined blood" because we were close (in all senses of the word) to our now estranged GC cousins how much of cyprus will they return if the north is controlled only by Mainland Turkish nationals?

The time is now or never for a BBF and if the spirit of compromise is not shown by both sides, then both the cypriot communities will suffer.

[Piratis]

Good article and good comment by Erhan.

The TCs have been brainwashed by Turkey for decades that supposedly they are not a minority in Cyprus and they are some special super community that deserves a lot more powers than those that minorities have in all other democratic countries. So much was the brainwashing that the TCs were actually convinced that they even deserve to have their own country on land stolen from us!

The fact is of course that TCs are a minority, and they do not deserve to rule by themselves over land that belongs to us by over 80%, nor the super powers and privileges that were promised to them on the expense of the democratic rights of every other Cypriot.

They funny thing is that not even Turkey itself believes the crap that she has been brainwashing TCs with. The TCs are useful to Turkey in only one way: To serve as her excuse to occupy north Cyprus. Once she gradually replaces the TC population with a majority of mainland Turks, the TCs will become useless to Turkey and she will tell them in no uncertain terms that they are a tiny minority of 0.2% of Turks and they should shut up and do as they are told.

However I am personally surprised that this started to happen already. I thought that while the Settlers are the majority, the TCs are still the majority among those who can vote (am I wrong?). I would expect Turkey to do this move when Settlers where over 60% of the people with voting rights. This was blander by Erdogan, but unfortunately the TCs are too stupid and too brainwashed to realize this early warning, and they will let Turkey complete her plan of rendering them useless.

Piratis, the problem for the TCs is that as their incomes fall so their jobs wil be taken over by mainlanders who, if they don't already, will expect the vote. It will be interesting to see if the number of TCs moving south increases as they give up/lose their well paid goverment jobs. It's a difficult choice for the ROC, should it welcome the TCs south in the hope that they will assist in the removal of Turkey from the island or could such a move backfire resulting in genuine Cypriots only occupying 70% - 80% of the island and Turkey the rest. How welcome would the TCs be if they were seen as the cause of a diminished ROC?

I don't think those kind of jobs will be taken by the mainlanders, since the Settlers send to Cyprus are mostly uneducated. Neither in RoC they will be able to find many equivalent jobs, as most such jobs will require Greek.

More likely is that some TCs will settle for a lot less than what they are used to until now, either they like it or not, while some others, who are relatively well educated and speak foreign languages, will use their RoC citizenship status to settle in other EU countries.

Gradually TCs will realize that they are not the super community as they have been brainwashed to believe but at that point it will be too late for them to come to an agreement with us, since the Settlers will already have the majority of votes, and those settlers will obviously never vote for a solution that will require most of them to leave from Cyprus.

If they were smart they would drop their demands now to a level that can be accepted by us. Unfortunately their leadership is just puppets of Turkey, that can't even agree with us that most Settlers need to go.

[Kikapu]

Having "colluded" in the loss of part of the island to Turkey would returning genuine TCs be welcome in the ROC?

In my opinion, the answer is a BIG "NO". I believe that if a solution can be reached based on True Federation, Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles, the TCs and the GCs can make a go of it under the EU umbrella, but if the north is lost to Turkey, TCs in general will not be welcomed in the RoC. They will face a lot of hardship and will be treated as "Gypsies of the Mediterranean". I don't even think any TC will have the courage to move to the RoC after helping Turkey keep the north. It will take a lot of BALLS for any TC to move to the RoC under those circumstances.

What do the GCs think.??

[Viewpoint]

We always have the internationally accepted 1960 agreements to fall back on.

[Kikapu]

We always have the internationally accepted 1960 agreements to fall back on.

Really.?

I thought those agreement are no longer valid due to the new agreement to have a BBF. One of the blunders by Denktash I may add, but then again, he thought the Cyprus Problem was solved in 1974. In any case, the RoC will just ignore it and continue as they are doing today without the TCs involved in the government. The world doesn't seem to mind with the present arrangement at all, are they.??..

But if you were to use the 1960 agreements, then be prepared for the TCs to be sent to jail or exile (their choice) for colluding with the enemy in trying to destroy the Republic of Cyprus and secede from it. Most countries that is punishable by firing squad. Lucky for us TCs, the RoC is in the EU and such punishment is not allowed.

[B25]

Having "colluded" in the loss of part of the island to Turkey would returning genuine TCs be welcome in the ROC?

In my opinion, the answer is a BIG "NO". I believe that if a solution can be reached based on True Federation, Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles, the TCs and the GCs can make a go of it under the EU umbrella, but if the north is lost to Turkey, TCs in general will not be welcomed in the RoC. They will face a lot of hardship and will be treated as "Gypsies of the Mediterranean". I don't even think any TC will have the courage to move to the RoC after helping Turkey keep the north. It will take a lot of BALLS for any TC to move to the RoC under those circumstances.

What do the GCs think.??

For as long as Turkey occupies the north, the TCs will always be spies in the south for them. They will be here not by choice, but by pressure to get out, so why would we go soft for them.

The TCs are in no position to negotiate, they have a much weaker hand, we do not need to compromise they do, they are the ones making the stupid demands. we already have our lifestyle, in the EU, UN and we are recognised world wide, what do they have, zilch, so tell me TCs do you think you are in a strong bargaining position??? Seriously.

When turkey is finally removed, then we wight look at you differently, otherwise, you had better stay that side of the line.

[DTA]

Wow just wow

[Get Real!]

Having "colluded" in the loss of part of the island to Turkey would returning genuine TCs be welcome in the ROC?

In my opinion, the answer is a BIG "NO". I believe that if a solution can be reached based on True Federation, Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles, the TCs and the GCs can make a go of it under the EU umbrella, but if the north is lost to Turkey, TCs in general will not be welcomed in the RoC. They will face a lot of hardship and will be treated as "Gypsies of the Mediterranean". I don't even think any TC will have the courage to move to the RoC after helping Turkey keep the north. It will take a lot of BALLS for any TC to move to the RoC under those circumstances.

What do the GCs think.??

How does that happen?