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[DTA]

from annnan 3 to annan 5 there were major shifts:

1)karpasia not included
2)annan plan would be primary eu law derogations included.
3)permanent stationing of turkish troops.

that alone should suffice dta.

papadopoulos had stated that he would negotiate on annan 3 when they got to switzerland things changed dramaitcally with undersecraterys ozug 11 points inserted into the plan to form annan 5

1)karpasia not included - I thought parts of it was, but I am no expert
2)annan plan would be primary eu law derogations included. - sorry maybe I am being a bit think, what do you mean?
3)permanent stationing of turkish troops. - in what numbers?

[humanist]

The Greek speaking Cypriots who are also the majority of the population in Cyprus voted NO because they felt the Annan Plan was based on racism and inequalities.

That is all that is needed to be said about this Plan.

Cyprus will be freed from the occupation of the TC's and their masters in due time.

[bill cobbett]

The A plan was an absolute disgrace - Any settlement which does not give (with certain very limited exceptions) the return of property based upon pre 74 legal ownership or at the option of tht owner, compensation, whether Greek Speaking Cypriot or Turkish speaking Cypriot, (and that includes the return of property abandoned even before 1974) should not be accepted.

Fair point but how would that work in realty - the 70,000 TCs that were forced to move in 74 would now be forced to move again?

It cuts both ways - there are a number of Greek Speaking Cypriots who were forced to move in 1974 and who may not want to move again, but who might be obliged to do so....

I understand this but from a personal point of view the GC living in my family's property in the south have a life built there, they have work, kids etc etc how can we even as the legal owner of the property morally ask them to move out?

Morally that would be wrong after so many years surely? because it would not sit well with me forcing them to move, it would be better (in my humble opinion) for both parties the people in our home and my family if the ROC gave us market value for the property and land plus rent+ interest, for its use and gave them ownership pending them doing the same with their land in the north.

Reh DTA, on your personal situation, which is a situation which applies to many, many, tens of thousands of others all over CY and your commendable moral objection is noted ... you don't have to ask them to move out and further you probably won't be able to force them out very easily as they have acquired rights to their home, as recognised by the ECHR last year.

There is however nothing to stop you or any other property owner expecting an arrangement for the payment of rent to be made with the home-maker/tenant from Settlement Day onwards. Put simply the existing occupiers of your family's property would become tenants, paying a rent to you or your family.

The other thing which may be salient, is that according to the laws of the Republic, a property owner may seek the eviction of a tenant if they themselves wish to move back in to their property as their only home ( a pretty straightforward procedure) or for non-payment of rent or for some other breach of contract (which in CY is a very long and drawn out procedure).

[ZoC]

Nah

Then log out and start reading.

Sorry that was meant for Zoc

u should have taken the magnominity while u had the chance...

[DTA]

Nah

Then log out and start reading.

Sorry that was meant for Zoc

u should have taken the magnominity while u had the chance...

Nah surrender is not in my blood

[ZoC]

Nah

Then log out and start reading.

Sorry that was meant for Zoc

u should have taken the magnominity while u had the chance...

Nah surrender is not in my blood

i was talking about the turks... does that include u...?

[DTA]

Nah

Then log out and start reading.

Sorry that was meant for Zoc

u should have taken the magnominity while u had the chance...

Nah surrender is not in my blood

i was talking about the turks... does that include u...?

I am Turkish Cypriot

[DTA]

The A plan was an absolute disgrace - Any settlement which does not give (with certain very limited exceptions) the return of property based upon pre 74 legal ownership or at the option of tht owner, compensation, whether Greek Speaking Cypriot or Turkish speaking Cypriot, (and that includes the return of property abandoned even before 1974) should not be accepted.

Fair point but how would that work in realty - the 70,000 TCs that were forced to move in 74 would now be forced to move again?

It cuts both ways - there are a number of Greek Speaking Cypriots who were forced to move in 1974 and who may not want to move again, but who might be obliged to do so....

I understand this but from a personal point of view the GC living in my family's property in the south have a life built there, they have work, kids etc etc how can we even as the legal owner of the property morally ask them to move out?

Morally that would be wrong after so many years surely? because it would not sit well with me forcing them to move, it would be better (in my humble opinion) for both parties the people in our home and my family if the ROC gave us market value for the property and land plus rent+ interest, for its use and gave them ownership pending them doing the same with their land in the north.

Reh DTA, on your personal situation, which is a situation which applies to many, many, tens of thousands of others all over CY and your commendable moral objection is noted ... you don't have to ask them to move out and further you probably won't be able to force them out very easily as they have acquired rights to their home, as recognised by the ECHR last year.

There is however nothing to stop you or any other property owner expecting an arrangement for the payment of rent to be made with the home-maker/tenant from Settlement Day onwards. Put simply the existing occupiers of your family's property would become tenants, paying a rent to you or your family.

The other thing which may be salient, is that according to the laws of the Republic, a property owner may seek the eviction of a tenant if they themselves wish to move back in to their property as their only home ( a pretty straightforward procedure) or for non-payment of rent or for some other breach of contract (which in CY is a very long and drawn out procedure).

Cheers Bill

[ZoC]

Nah

Then log out and start reading.

Sorry that was meant for Zoc

u should have taken the magnominity while u had the chance...

Nah surrender is not in my blood

i was talking about the turks... does that include u...?

I am Turkish Cypriot

that's no answer.

[DTA]

Nah

Then log out and start reading.

Sorry that was meant for Zoc

u should have taken the magnominity while u had the chance...

Nah surrender is not in my blood

i was talking about the turks... does that include u...?

I am Turkish Cypriot

that's no answer.

Its the correct answer.