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[BirKibrisli]

I teach biology but once again I fail to see how my job is corellated with anything we discuss in this forum.

But he claims to admire you so much… yet NEVER follows suit!

Do you suppose he is a little liar (FALSE PROPHET) who pretends that what you're doing (SHAGGING YOUR PEOPLE) is admirable and then backs off when it’s his turn to do so?

I think he’s set you up!

You are very good at digging up my old posts,GR!
Go and look at my old posts again...for the first 3 years on this Forum I did nothing else but talk about the TC wrongs...So you are deluding yourself again...

[Jerry]

We have a saying in Turkish ....It Urur kervan yurur! Roughly translated as .....the dogs bark but the caravans move on....

So moving on....

On 28th December 1963 the Daily Express reported: ‘We went tonight into the Turkish Cypriot Quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there and have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears.’
On 1st January 1964 the Daily Herald reported: ‘When I came across the Turkish Cypriot homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs which had caved in I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children’s cots, and grey ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.’

Do you really believe that this guy would make all this up????
He is quoting two British newspapers,are they all conspiring against the GCs,a peaceloving people who could never commit such terrible attrocities??? Is there anyone amongst you with enough intelligence to begin to suspect that perhaps,just perhaps,these things did actually happen?????

So, we believe it, where does that take us? We can exchange horror stories both on and off the island during the last 100 years. What you posted does not exonerate Turkey or to TCs from their misdeeds. You got the worst of it in 1963/4 because you were outnumbered. We just go round in circles with this blame game business.

If TCs want a future on the island they will have to persuade the EU to look after their interests - not Turkey. It seems to me that too many TCs have been quite happy to suffer Turkey's "protection" since 1974 whilst gorging themselves on Greek Loot but now their chickens are coming home to roost they are running around like headless ones.

What's your way out, an enforced Annan Plan that breeds resentment among the GCs? We would be back to 1963 again.

[BirKibrisli]

We have a saying in Turkish ....It Urur kervan yurur! Roughly translated as .....the dogs bark but the caravans move on....

So moving on....

On 28th December 1963 the Daily Express reported: ‘We went tonight into the Turkish Cypriot Quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there and have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears.’
On 1st January 1964 the Daily Herald reported: ‘When I came across the Turkish Cypriot homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs which had caved in I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children’s cots, and grey ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.’

Do you really believe that this guy would make all this up????
He is quoting two British newspapers,are they all conspiring against the GCs,a peaceloving people who could never commit such terrible attrocities??? Is there anyone amongst you with enough intelligence to begin to suspect that perhaps,just perhaps,these things did actually happen?????

So, we believe it, where does that take us? We can exchange horror stories both on and off the island during the last 100 years. What you posted does not exonerate Turkey or to TCs from their misdeeds. You got the worst of it in 1963/4 because you were outnumbered. We just go round in circles with this blame game business.

If TCs want a future on the island they will have to persuade the EU to look after their interests - not Turkey. It seems to me that too many TCs have been quite happy to suffer Turkey's "protection" since 1974 whilst gorging themselves on Greek Loot but now their chickens are coming home to roost they are running around like headless ones.

What's your way out, an enforced Annan Plan that breeds resentment among the GCs? We would be back to 1963 again.

I am not trying to excuse anything,Jerry...I am trying to get those deniers and ostrich-pretenders, who are rewriting history and painting themselves whiter than white to acknowledge their own wrongs...I know that both sides are guilty of horrific attrocities,and I have talked about the TC ones in the past...If we have any hope of reunification, we must travel through the road of empathy,compassion ,understanding,and respect...We can't do that when one side thinks they are absolutely right and the other side is absolutely wrong...Can we???

[Jerry]

I am not trying to excuse anything,Jerry...I am trying to get those deniers and ostrich-pretenders, who are rewriting history and painting themselves whiter than white to acknowledge their own wrongs...I know that both sides are guilty of horrific attrocities,and I have talked about the TC ones in the past...If we have any hope of reunification, we must travel through the road of empathy,compassion ,understanding,and respect...We can't do that when one side thinks they are absolutely right and the other side is absolutely wrong...Can we???

I agree with your last sentance but the Cyprus problem will not be solved on CF. Those of whom you speak are a lost cause, let's hope that the negotiators on both sides are a little more adult than the keyboard fanatics.

[Filitsa]

I am not trying to excuse anything,Jerry...I am trying to get those deniers and ostrich-pretenders, who are rewriting history and painting themselves whiter than white to acknowledge their own wrongs...I know that both sides are guilty of horrific attrocities,and I have talked about the TC ones in the past...If we have any hope of reunification, we must travel through the road of empathy,compassion ,understanding,and respect...We can't do that when one side thinks they are absolutely right and the other side is absolutely wrong...Can we???

I agree with your last sentance but the Cyprus problem will not be solved on CF. Those of whom you speak are a lost cause, let's hope that the negotiators on both sides are a little more adult than the keyboard fanatics.

Words of wisdom on the part of both members. I wish this thread could end here.

[ZoC]

I am not trying to excuse anything,Jerry...I am trying to get those deniers and ostrich-pretenders, who are rewriting history and painting themselves whiter than white to acknowledge their own wrongs...I know that both sides are guilty of horrific attrocities,and I have talked about the TC ones in the past...If we have any hope of reunification, we must travel through the road of empathy,compassion ,understanding,and respect...We can't do that when one side thinks they are absolutely right and the other side is absolutely wrong...Can we???

I agree with your last sentance but the Cyprus problem will not be solved on CF. Those of whom you speak are a lost cause, let's hope that the negotiators on both sides are a little more adult than the keyboard fanatics.

Words of wisdom on the part of both members. I wish this thread could end here.

sorry but i don't, 'cos birkturk's been spouting nothing but words of tomfoolery the last few days.... in fact make that months.

[Filitsa]

I wish it began here too.

[BirKibrisli]

I am not trying to excuse anything,Jerry...I am trying to get those deniers and ostrich-pretenders, who are rewriting history and painting themselves whiter than white to acknowledge their own wrongs...I know that both sides are guilty of horrific attrocities,and I have talked about the TC ones in the past...If we have any hope of reunification, we must travel through the road of empathy,compassion ,understanding,and respect...We can't do that when one side thinks they are absolutely right and the other side is absolutely wrong...Can we???

I agree with your last sentance but the Cyprus problem will not be solved on CF. Those of whom you speak are a lost cause, let's hope that the negotiators on both sides are a little more adult than the keyboard fanatics.

Words of wisdom on the part of both members. I wish this thread could end here.

sorry but i don't, 'cos birkturk's been spouting nothing but words of tomfoolery the last few days.... in fact make that months.

And you are spouting words of wisdom for months,I suppose???

In accordance with Filitsa's wishes,and due to the respect I have for both Filitsa's and Jerry's stands,I will not post any more quotes from that article...I invite everyone who has contributed to this thread to read the article carefully,not to dismiss it out of hand as lies or paid propaganda, and to leave a spot of doubt in their minds regarding their own stand on the causes of Cyprob...If we cannot get away from the official propaganda lines we have no chance of ever finding a fair and lasting solution that will satisy most Cypriots...That was the whole point of my posting this article...

[Filitsa]

I am not trying to excuse anything,Jerry...I am trying to get those deniers and ostrich-pretenders, who are rewriting history and painting themselves whiter than white to acknowledge their own wrongs...I know that both sides are guilty of horrific attrocities,and I have talked about the TC ones in the past...If we have any hope of reunification, we must travel through the road of empathy,compassion ,understanding,and respect...We can't do that when one side thinks they are absolutely right and the other side is absolutely wrong...Can we???

I agree with your last sentance but the Cyprus problem will not be solved on CF. Those of whom you speak are a lost cause, let's hope that the negotiators on both sides are a little more adult than the keyboard fanatics.

Words of wisdom on the part of both members. I wish this thread could end here.

sorry but i don't, 'cos birkturk's been spouting nothing but words of tomfoolery the last few days.... in fact make that months.

And you are spouting words of wisdom for months,I suppose???

In accordance with Filitsa's wishes,and due to the respect I have for both Filitsa's and Jerry's stands,I will not post any more quotes from that article...I invite everyone who has contributed to this thread to read the article carefully,not to dismiss it out of hand as lies or paid propaganda, and to leave a spot of doubt in their minds regarding their own stand on the causes of Cyprob...If we cannot get away from the official propaganda lines we have no chance of ever finding a fair and lasting solution that will satisy most Cypriots...That was the whole point of my posting this article...

Thank you kindly, BiKibrisli.

[BirKibrisli]

I am not trying to excuse anything,Jerry...I am trying to get those deniers and ostrich-pretenders, who are rewriting history and painting themselves whiter than white to acknowledge their own wrongs...I know that both sides are guilty of horrific attrocities,and I have talked about the TC ones in the past...If we have any hope of reunification, we must travel through the road of empathy,compassion ,understanding,and respect...We can't do that when one side thinks they are absolutely right and the other side is absolutely wrong...Can we???

I agree with your last sentance but the Cyprus problem will not be solved on CF. Those of whom you speak are a lost cause, let's hope that the negotiators on both sides are a little more adult than the keyboard fanatics.

Words of wisdom on the part of both members. I wish this thread could end here.

sorry but i don't, 'cos birkturk's been spouting nothing but words of tomfoolery the last few days.... in fact make that months.

And you are spouting words of wisdom for months,I suppose???

In accordance with Filitsa's wishes,and due to the respect I have for both Filitsa's and Jerry's stands,I will not post any more quotes from that article...I invite everyone who has contributed to this thread to read the article carefully,not to dismiss it out of hand as lies or paid propaganda, and to leave a spot of doubt in their minds regarding their own stand on the causes of Cyprob...If we cannot get away from the official propaganda lines we have no chance of ever finding a fair and lasting solution that will satisy most Cypriots...That was the whole point of my posting this article...

Thank you kindly, BiKibrisli.

You are most welcome,Filitsa!