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[BirKibrisli]

who the hell is this guy?...i would rather take Merkel's word for it...a real power dunamo...

what do you think bir?...do you think hitchens word counts more than merkel's?...

Journalists and politicians have different sphere of influence,boomers...
You can't compare the two...

Lets go on with our story,shall we???

The UN Secretary-General made it clear in 1992 (UN doc. S/24472) that sovereignty ‘emanates equally from both communities. One community cannot claim sovereignty over the other.’

The independent Republic of Cyprus was therefore constituted in 1960 by a solemn agreement between the two peoples of Cyprus, on the basis of political equality, and guaranteed by Britain, Greece, and Turkey. It was never a unitary state with a majority and minority. So why are the two peoples of Cyprus treated today as though one were a government and the other a mere ‘community?

Quite simple really: the Greek-Cypriots say that everything was fine until 1974 when Turkey ‘invaded‘ and divided the island, and forced the Turkish Cypriots to live in the North. However, nothing could be further from the truth. The events of 1974 were in fact the culmination of eleven years of oppression of Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots.

OH,DEAR...This guy is saying everything I believe to be true...

hang on to the yesterday thought bir...but keep in mind the world of today is no longer static, but dynamic...who would have thought the roc would have been an eu member today and who would have thought today the roc is sitting on enormous, led to believe, of natural resources?...

who would have thought 30 odd years ago rumsfeld said "today i made a new friend" referring to saddam?...

what's to say tomorrow the eu cancels all agreements wth turkey, kick them out of NATO and bomb the shit out of them?...

what i am trying to say ban had his reigns pulled by merkel...even blind freddy can see this, well with the exemption of yesterdays' men...

in the meantime you hang onto yesterdays writing...

you want BBF?...reduce your territory and all your demands will fall in place...rather than maximalist bullshit...

see bir, president x is negotiating for all cypriots while the puppet is negotiating on gaining on the expence of others...this is what is projected world wide...so no amount of propaganda is gonna deminish this fact...


PS...and next time you quote the UN make sure you include the ones that say turkey out of cyprus and people return to their homes, do not be selective...

Oh Bir, you know am a pleasant and helpful sort of chap.... have taken the liberty of putting a salient and very practical bit of Boomer's post in big for you, .... for your convenience.

Thanks,Bill...But we cannot fit One miillion 'New" TCs into anything less than what we got...In fact we might have to expand our territory a bit to fit in the other million who are on their way!!!!

Please pass this comment onto Boomers and his alter ego B25 too!

[BirKibrisli]

So far you have attacked the writer,the messenger,but couldn't find anything substantially wrong with what he is saying...Lets read some more, shall we???

Cyprus was a Turkish island until it was leased to the British in 1878, and the Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots had lived there for hundreds of years when Britain decolonised Cyprus in 1960. They are quite distinct from each other; they have a different religion, a different language, and a different culture. They each lived in their own villages or in separate parts of the towns and larger villages.

On 19th December 1956 the Colonial Secretary pledged that ‘it will be the purpose of HM Government to ensure that any exercise of self determination should be effected in such a manner that the Turkish Cypriot community, no less than the Greek Cypriot community, shall in the special circumstances of Cyprus be given freedom to decide for themselves their future status.’

What do you think of the promise to give TCs the freedom to decide for themselves their future status????

The so called Turkish "Cypriots" are not Cypriots at all but just Turkish Settlers from the first Turkish invasion and occupation. Just like Turkey in 1974 invaded and occupied Cyprus, stole our properties and gave them to Turkish Settlers illegally the same was done by the Ottomans. There is no different between the two waves of Turkish Settlers. They are thieving foreigners who do not belong in a European, Greek island such as Cyprus. Everything they got in Cyprus they stole it from us. Here is the history of Turkish "Cypriots" as posted by your friend Halil.

TURKISH "CYPRIOTS"
After the conquer of Cyprus in 1571, Ottoman administration sent some people to the island as a fact of their settlement policy. There were two waves of people settlement to Cyprus. The first one was, from 1572 to the end of the XVI. century and the second, was from 1699 to 1745. The main paper about this settlement is a ferman of Sultan Selim the Second, which was written 20th September 1572. In this ferman it was ordered to the governors of Anatolia, Karamania, Zulkadiria and Rum provinces to select the people whom didn’t have enough land to make agriculture, wasn’t registered in a village population, who was known as a rebel (Turkmen population of those provinces was described with all of these criterias) and beside them ten percent of the industrial people; for sending Cyprus, by force. First of all, we have to say that all of those provinces were old Turkmen tribe governments (called Beylik), which was recently collaberated with the empire. It is known that, population of those provinces were Turkmens. For example, Zulkadiriya people were a mixture of Yureghir and Kynyk tribes and some independent clans, which was called as Zulkadiria Ulusu. Karamania people were Bozdoğan tribe, which was coming from main Oghouz branch, Üçoklar. The people of Rum province was a mixture of Beghdili, Bayat and other tribes which was coming from main branch Bozoklar and even a part of province was called Bozok, itself. And Anatolia province was another Turkmen area which even İbn-Batuta described as a “ Turkmen Yatagy” (Bed of Turkmens) on the Xll. Century.**
Beside of this main “ferman” there are some separated, fermans, which are ordering to settle people Cyprus by force. For example, we’ve found two fermans, written in 1576 and 1577, to the governor of Bozok District and was ordering send the people to Cyprus by force which was suspected them as supporters of Is mail Saphevi of Iran, the Shah of Kizilbash heterodox Islamic belief of Turkmens. (29 no. Muhimme defteri Ferman no: 490 and 30. No Muhimme Defteri, Ferman No: 488) And another ferman, which was written at the same year and ordering to send Ramazan of the Bozdoğan (a branch of Üçoks) to Cyprus, with his family and all of the supporters of him with their own families because of a rebellition. (That rebels called Koseli and even now there is a family living at the settlement area, which is called Koseli)( Anadolu’da Turkmen Aşiretleri Ahmet Refik) In another sample, there is a ferman, written 1576 and ordered to the Hamiteli district’s governor, to send the famous rebel Karahaci to Cyprus. (64 No.lu Muhimme defteri) Even in those days, at the old settlement area if somebody knocks a door at night time and the owners of the house ask, who is it that knocking the door, it is a folkloric joke to say: “ It’s me: Karahaci!” for freighting the hosts!
According to these fermans, it is known that, from 1572 to the end of XVI. Century, 8000 families settled to Cyprus, instead of planned 12000 families. (Muhimme defteri no.43 241 sayılı hüküm) We can easily understand that most of the population which was settled to the island was Turkmens of Anatolia because there is a paper in Ottoman Archive which is ordering “only Turks and Muslims must be sent to Cyprus”. (Mevkufat Defteri No.2551) We have to notice that, according to Ottoman official literature, “Turk” means, Turkmen and Yoruk. Dr.Cengiz Orhonlu, an author of Ottoman Settlement Policy, has written that, Turkmen’s of Karaman Province, was sent to Cyprus and settled to the island by force. (Milletlerarası Kıbrıs Meseleleri Kongresi, Ankara 1969) According to another author, Dr. Faruk Sumer, grand parents of Turkish Cypriots were the Turkmens of Cukurova. (Faruk Sumer, Oğuzlar- Turkmenler, s.148) This was the first wave.
After the second withdrawal of the Ottoman army from Vienna, Ottoman rulers realized that their weak point was, the low level of production and tax incomes. Ottoman administration decided to settle all of the tribes for rising agricultural producing and increasing incoming taxes. In 1699 another ferman was published which was ordering all of the Yoruk tribes,*** must be settled to Cyprus by force. This ferman was the beginning the second wave, of the settlement of Cyprus, by Turkmen tribes. Turkmen tribes rebelled again of course and till 1856 these rebellitions continued. But from 1700 to 1745 some other Turkmen tribes had sent to Cyprus and settled there by force. In this period, almost 2500 new families settled to Cyprus from, Beghdili, Bayat, Avshar, Kachar and Bozdoghan tribes. As it is known the first three tribes are the sub-branches of Bozoks and the fourth one, Uchoks. People from the most famous clan of Beghdili tribe, Şamlu or Dımışklı, (which is called Şahseven, Hudabendelü, Aynallu and Karagözlü in Iran), Bentoglu clan and Koroglu clan of Avshar Tribe, Kachar Halil clan of Kachars, Karahacılı clan of Bozdoghans from Yureghir tribe, Gediklü clan of Bayad tribe, Karakeçili clan from Kayı tribe have sent to Cyprus.

These foreign Turks are what created all the problems in Cyprus. They should be send back to Anatolia and all the problems of Cyprus will be solved.

Is that a scientific opinion of how long it takes for people to become natives of some land they found themselves on for no fault of their own???? Or is it your own racist opinion,Sotos???
What shall we do with the Americans? The Australians? New Zealanders?
Those of Spanish and Portuguese origins in South America...???Should they all be sent back to where they came from originally???

[BirKibrisli]

The UN Secretary-General made it clear in 1992 (UN doc. S/24472) that sovereignty ‘emanates equally from both communities. One community cannot claim sovereignty over the other.’

The independent Republic of Cyprus was therefore constituted in 1960 by a solemn agreement between the two peoples of Cyprus, on the basis of political equality, and guaranteed by Britain, Greece, and Turkey. It was never a unitary state with a majority and minority. So why are the two peoples of Cyprus treated today as though one were a government and the other a mere ‘community?

Quite simple really: the Greek-Cypriots say that everything was fine until 1974 when Turkey ‘invaded‘ and divided the island, and forced the Turkish Cypriots to live in the North. However, nothing could be further from the truth. The events of 1974 were in fact the culmination of eleven years of oppression of Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots.

OH,DEAR...This guy is saying everything I believe to be true...

Too bad for you that only Turks and those few foreigners that you have on your payroll believe that nonsense Because the rest of the world recognizes the Republic of Cyprus and not your pseudo state and they recognize that the legitimate government of Cyprus is one made up by the native Cypriot people. Your pseudo government made up by foreign Turkish Settlers is recognized by nobody except Turkey.

Just because a lot of people or nations believe in something,it doesn't necessarily make it true...Cyprus is such a case in point...It simply suited certain nations to believe your propaganda for all this time...When it will no longer be profitable to believe in your dirty tricks,they will turn their backs on you on mass...That time is fast approaching...

[BirKibrisli]

who the hell is this guy?...i would rather take Merkel's word for it...a real power dunamo...

what do you think bir?...do you think hitchens word counts more than merkel's?...

Journalists and politicians have different sphere of influence,boomers...
You can't compare the two...

Lets go on with our story,shall we???

The UN Secretary-General made it clear in 1992 (UN doc. S/24472) that sovereignty ‘emanates equally from both communities. One community cannot claim sovereignty over the other.’

The independent Republic of Cyprus was therefore constituted in 1960 by a solemn agreement between the two peoples of Cyprus, on the basis of political equality, and guaranteed by Britain, Greece, and Turkey. It was never a unitary state with a majority and minority. So why are the two peoples of Cyprus treated today as though one were a government and the other a mere ‘community?

Quite simple really: the Greek-Cypriots say that everything was fine until 1974 when Turkey ‘invaded‘ and divided the island, and forced the Turkish Cypriots to live in the North. However, nothing could be further from the truth. The events of 1974 were in fact the culmination of eleven years of oppression of Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots.

OH,DEAR...This guy is saying everything I believe to be true...

And here we come to the biggest con of all. I'll address the writings if you like Bir but you won't like it.

Document s/24472 that Stephens is talking about is none other than the Ghali set of ideas. A document that was accepted for discussion by President Vasilliou but rejected by his porkiness Mr Denktash. (you remember denktash don't you? He's one of those innocent TCs you keep going on about)

Anyway to understand the calibre of your writer you gotta love what he's done with this. He's used the proposed solution (which your side rejected) in the set of ideas and pretended it's what the Secretary General has said for today's status quo. (see what he's done there?)

And then off course the rest is history sites of such quality such as AtCA go on to quote Stephens same line over and over again without reproducing the document from which he refers to.....well today's your lucky day. Drum roll for document s/24472 (please pay special care to the words THe FEDERAL republic WILL have One sovereignty which emanates from both communities.)

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.ns ... as%20(1992).pdf

DT...This guy might've made some technical journalistic mistakes in his writings,but that does not take away the authenticity of what he says,especially regarding the historical events...What I lived through and what I learnt during the 50s and 60s in Cyprus tallies very well with his comments...I don't expect you to believe it however...It will make a mockery of your whole state popaganda for the past 47 years...There is only one man here with BALLS big enough to accept the wrongs of his own side...His name is Bananiot...The more I hear from you guys,the more I realise what an extraordinary person he is...

[DT.]

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[BirKibrisli]

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Beat you by one minute...lol....

[DT.]

who the hell is this guy?...i would rather take Merkel's word for it...a real power dunamo...

what do you think bir?...do you think hitchens word counts more than merkel's?...

Journalists and politicians have different sphere of influence,boomers...
You can't compare the two...

Lets go on with our story,shall we???

The UN Secretary-General made it clear in 1992 (UN doc. S/24472) that sovereignty ‘emanates equally from both communities. One community cannot claim sovereignty over the other.’

The independent Republic of Cyprus was therefore constituted in 1960 by a solemn agreement between the two peoples of Cyprus, on the basis of political equality, and guaranteed by Britain, Greece, and Turkey. It was never a unitary state with a majority and minority. So why are the two peoples of Cyprus treated today as though one were a government and the other a mere ‘community?

Quite simple really: the Greek-Cypriots say that everything was fine until 1974 when Turkey ‘invaded‘ and divided the island, and forced the Turkish Cypriots to live in the North. However, nothing could be further from the truth. The events of 1974 were in fact the culmination of eleven years of oppression of Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots.

OH,DEAR...This guy is saying everything I believe to be true...

And here we come to the biggest con of all. I'll address the writings if you like Bir but you won't like it.

Document s/24472 that Stephens is talking about is none other than the Ghali set of ideas. A document that was accepted for discussion by President Vasilliou but rejected by his porkiness Mr Denktash. (you remember denktash don't you? He's one of those innocent TCs you keep going on about)

Anyway to understand the calibre of your writer you gotta love what he's done with this. He's used the proposed solution (which your side rejected) in the set of ideas and pretended it's what the Secretary General has said for today's status quo. (see what he's done there?)

And then off course the rest is history sites of such quality such as AtCA go on to quote Stephens same line over and over again without reproducing the document from which he refers to.....well today's your lucky day. Drum roll for document s/24472 (please pay special care to the words THe FEDERAL republic WILL have One sovereignty which emanates from both communities.)

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.ns ... as%20(1992).pdf

DT...This guy might've made some technical journalistic mistakes in his writings,but that does not take away the authenticity of what he says,especially regarding the historical events...What I lived through and what I learnt during the 50s and 60s in Cyprus tallies very well with his comments...I don't expect you to believe it however...It will make a mockery of your whole state popaganda for the past 47 years...There is only one man here with BALLS big enough to accept the wrongs of his own side...His name is Bananiot...The more I hear from you guys,the more I realise what an extraordinary person he is...

some technical journalistic mistakes??

You guys took a quote from a proposed plan for unification of the island which you rejected by Denktash and have quoted it on nearly every board on the web.

You then come here, post this misleading statement and expect to be treated with respect knowing full well that this man is lying.

[Piratis]

The UN Secretary-General made it clear in 1992 (UN doc. S/24472) that sovereignty ‘emanates equally from both communities. One community cannot claim sovereignty over the other.’

The independent Republic of Cyprus was therefore constituted in 1960 by a solemn agreement between the two peoples of Cyprus, on the basis of political equality, and guaranteed by Britain, Greece, and Turkey. It was never a unitary state with a majority and minority. So why are the two peoples of Cyprus treated today as though one were a government and the other a mere ‘community?

Quite simple really: the Greek-Cypriots say that everything was fine until 1974 when Turkey ‘invaded‘ and divided the island, and forced the Turkish Cypriots to live in the North. However, nothing could be further from the truth. The events of 1974 were in fact the culmination of eleven years of oppression of Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots.

OH,DEAR...This guy is saying everything I believe to be true...

Too bad for you that only Turks and those few foreigners that you have on your payroll believe that nonsense Because the rest of the world recognizes the Republic of Cyprus and not your pseudo state and they recognize that the legitimate government of Cyprus is one made up by the native Cypriot people. Your pseudo government made up by foreign Turkish Settlers is recognized by nobody except Turkey.

Just because a lot of people or nations believe in something,it doesn't necessarily make it true...Cyprus is such a case in point...It simply suited certain nations to believe your propaganda for all this time...When it will no longer be profitable to believe in your dirty tricks,they will turn their backs on you on mass...That time is fast approaching...

Bir, the propaganda and dirty tricks are coming from the Turkish side. This article you posted here is yet another example of such Turkish propaganda, and DT. has already shown this in a very clear way.

Turkey has the military power, it has a big market which is of interest to others, it has oil pipelines passing through it, it has an alliance with AngloAmericans who keep supplying weapons to her, but what Turkey does not have on its side is justice.

Other nations have nothing to gain from supporting Cyprus. But we are right in such a degree that not even the biggest friends of Turkey can ignore this.

This is why the Turkish propaganda is trying to manufacture history. Because the truth is Turkey's only obstacle.

[DT.]

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Beat you by one minute...lol....

[Get Real!]

There is only one man here with BALLS big enough to accept the wrongs of his own side...His name is Bananiot...The more I hear from you guys,the more I realise what an extraordinary person he is...

Why not follow your mentor and tell us all about the TC wrongs so that you too may become an extraordinary person?