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[Hermes]

1. support/encourage/show solidarity to tcs revolting against turkish austerity/control;
2. tcs revolt in numbers, gaining strength/confidence from free cypriots/roc government support and the toppling of gadaffi;

And what if Turkey backs off as a result of our involvement and let’s the TCs continue unchallenged in the occupied territory? You would’ve assisted them to preserve what’s been happening for 36 years!

Maybe. But I read in one of the Turkish papers that Erdogan can't afford to let the T/Cs have their way as he would be made to look weak in an election year. Besides I think Erdogan is a pretty unstable character and is likely to do something stupid.

[ZoC]

we are discussing what the GCs can do to support their cause im evaluating from your perspective, you believe that the TCs are revolting against Turkey then surely you should be doing something to support them, isnt that what you always wanted? or do you agree with me that its no big deal and should be blown out of proportion?

Are the T/Cs revolting against Turkey? The most we can say is that a division has come out into the open between the T/Cs and the settlers. We should try and exploit that for sure, but I see no evidence of a widespread revolt against the occupation.

The T/Cs are fucked if they do nothing. But I don't think they have the brains to realize that their only hope for survival is within a united Cyprus under the EU. So what can we do when even the T/Cs have given up on themselves?

This is a cop out response as it clearly confirms that Gcs are not genuine about a solution thus pushing the TCs closer to Turkey, if they were genuine and believed that the protests are a revolt then sure its a prime opportunity to encourage union and working together to build trust and understanding. You obvious believe this opportunity does not exist therefore agreeing with me that the protests in the north are no more than against government reforms.

ultimately people protest about power and money. will turkey give tcs more, do you think?

[Get Real!]

1. support/encourage/show solidarity to tcs revolting against turkish austerity/control;
2. tcs revolt in numbers, gaining strength/confidence from free cypriots/roc government support and the toppling of gadaffi;

And what if Turkey backs off as a result of our involvement and let’s the TCs continue unchallenged in the occupied territory? You would’ve assisted them to preserve what’s been happening for 36 years!

i may be away from the horo, but i'm not on another planet....

Not necessarily out of fear but for strategy reasons.

[ZoC]

1. support/encourage/show solidarity to tcs revolting against turkish austerity/control;
2. tcs revolt in numbers, gaining strength/confidence from free cypriots/roc government support and the toppling of gadaffi;

And what if Turkey backs off as a result of our involvement and let’s the TCs continue unchallenged in the occupied territory? You would’ve assisted them to preserve what’s been happening for 36 years!

i may be away from the horo, but i'm not on another planet....

Not necessarily out of fear but for strategy reasons.

not sure turkey's recent dealings with the eu and israel demonstrate much strategic reasoning but, even so, wot have we lost if turkey does back off?... turkey's eu accession will still grind to a halt, either way.

[Get Real!]

1. support/encourage/show solidarity to tcs revolting against turkish austerity/control;
2. tcs revolt in numbers, gaining strength/confidence from free cypriots/roc government support and the toppling of gadaffi;

And what if Turkey backs off as a result of our involvement and let’s the TCs continue unchallenged in the occupied territory? You would’ve assisted them to preserve what’s been happening for 36 years!

Maybe. But I read in one of the Turkish papers that Erdogan can't afford to let the T/Cs have their way as he would be made to look weak in an election year. Besides I think Erdogan is a pretty unstable character and is likely to do something stupid.

All he has to do is cut the annual handouts by a decent percentage and voila, the TCs are easily punished and electorate satisfied!

[Viewpoint]

we are discussing what the GCs can do to support their cause im evaluating from your perspective, you believe that the TCs are revolting against Turkey then surely you should be doing something to support them, isnt that what you always wanted? or do you agree with me that its no big deal and should be blown out of proportion?

Are the T/Cs revolting against Turkey? The most we can say is that a division has come out into the open between the T/Cs and the settlers. We should try and exploit that for sure, but I see no evidence of a widespread revolt against the occupation.

The T/Cs are fucked if they do nothing. But I don't think they have the brains to realize that their only hope for survival is within a united Cyprus under the EU. So what can we do when even the T/Cs have given up on themselves?

This is a cop out response as it clearly confirms that Gcs are not genuine about a solution thus pushing the TCs closer to Turkey, if they were genuine and believed that the protests are a revolt then sure its a prime opportunity to encourage union and working together to build trust and understanding. You obvious believe this opportunity does not exist therefore agreeing with me that the protests in the north are no more than against government reforms.

ultimately people protest about power and money. will turkey give tcs more, do you think?

No they wont, why should they?

[Get Real!]

1. support/encourage/show solidarity to tcs revolting against turkish austerity/control;
2. tcs revolt in numbers, gaining strength/confidence from free cypriots/roc government support and the toppling of gadaffi;

And what if Turkey backs off as a result of our involvement and let’s the TCs continue unchallenged in the occupied territory? You would’ve assisted them to preserve what’s been happening for 36 years!

i may be away from the horo, but i'm not on another planet....

Not necessarily out of fear but for strategy reasons.

not sure turkey's recent dealings with the eu and israel demonstrate much strategic reasoning but, even so, wot have we lost if turkey does back off?... turkey's eu accession will still grind to a halt, either way.

We would’ve ruined a naturally evolving division, prevented Turkey’s complete takeover of the occupied territory and thus weakened our justification for demanding the removal of the occupying power!

[ZoC]

we are discussing what the GCs can do to support their cause im evaluating from your perspective, you believe that the TCs are revolting against Turkey then surely you should be doing something to support them, isnt that what you always wanted? or do you agree with me that its no big deal and should be blown out of proportion?

Are the T/Cs revolting against Turkey? The most we can say is that a division has come out into the open between the T/Cs and the settlers. We should try and exploit that for sure, but I see no evidence of a widespread revolt against the occupation.

The T/Cs are fucked if they do nothing. But I don't think they have the brains to realize that their only hope for survival is within a united Cyprus under the EU. So what can we do when even the T/Cs have given up on themselves?

This is a cop out response as it clearly confirms that Gcs are not genuine about a solution thus pushing the TCs closer to Turkey, if they were genuine and believed that the protests are a revolt then sure its a prime opportunity to encourage union and working together to build trust and understanding. You obvious believe this opportunity does not exist therefore agreeing with me that the protests in the north are no more than against government reforms.

ultimately people protest about power and money. will turkey give tcs more, do you think?

No they wont, why should they?

there u go, gr! looks like it makes sense to follow my strategy.

so, vp. if turkey won't back down, do tcs have the stomach to take on the motherland, do you think?

[Viewpoint]

I think you are confusing the 2 issues whats more important that the TCs revolt against Turkey or against the economic measures?

[ZoC]

I think you are confusing the 2 issues whats more important that the TCs revolt against Turkey or against the economic measures?

it's the economic measures imposed by turkey that has brought them out on the street, of course. but wot matters is they're revolting. how far will they go, do you think?