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[Get Real!]

I think it’s more a case of presumed opportunity coming from the diaspora…

Prove me wrong by explaining the strategy!


Just remember the old Cypriot saying…

“Abou en boxo bou don horo, heri bolla traouthkia!”

[Paphitis]

Presumed opportunity?

Do you mean they presumed there was never going to be any opportunity in Cyprus and no real liberation or freedom because Cypriots are generally too stupid?

[Filitsa]

Of course, there's relevance. Just as the Arabs want to rid themselves of despots to achieve more freedoms, so does Cyprus want to rid herself of Turkey for the same. Occupation means the denial of civil rights for all Cypriots. Capitalize on freedom vs. occupation ... the denial of civil rights ... G.C.'s and TC's = Cypriots, not GC's vs. TC's = partition. I'm with ZoC. Time's a-wasting.

A despotic regime like that of Gadaffi is comparable to Turkey’s illegal military occupation of northern Cyprus?

It’s all one big Greek salad in your head with extra fetta…

it's all about money and power. and people rising up against corrupt regimes who exploit them and their lands.

... and the internet, but I suppose that's power these days.

I’m just wondering how that parallel would be drawn…

“Now that Despotic Gadaffi has almost been ousted, so too should the despotic Eroglu go!”

You just keep on wondering there, big guy, but don't hurt yourself.

What chances do I have against your genius?

Turkey has ALREADY been convicted so you might want to remind the world of those existing decisions as opposed to negotiating sovereign territory with the perpetrator/blackmailer!

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

UN RESOLUTION 550 (1984)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr550.htm

As for Gadaffi he was never an illegal occupation of Libya, so I can’t see any parallels!

Oh, and while you're at it, keep on invoking those U.N. resolutions. You know, the one's even the U.N. doesn't invoke.

[Hermes]

we are discussing what the GCs can do to support their cause im evaluating from your perspective, you believe that the TCs are revolting against Turkey then surely you should be doing something to support them, isnt that what you always wanted? or do you agree with me that its no big deal and should be blown out of proportion?

Are the T/Cs revolting against Turkey? The most we can say is that a division has come out into the open between the T/Cs and the settlers. We should try and exploit that for sure, but I see no evidence of a widespread revolt against the occupation.

The T/Cs are fucked if they do nothing. But I don't think they have the brains to realize that their only hope for survival is within a united Cyprus under the EU. So what can we do when even the T/Cs have given up on themselves?

[ZoC]

I think it’s more a case of presumed opportunity coming from the diaspora…

Prove me wrong by explaining the strategy!


Just remember the old Cypriot saying…

“Abou en boxo bou don horo, heri bolla traouthkia!”

1. support/encourage/show solidarity to tcs revolting against turkish austerity/control;
2. tcs revolt in numbers, gaining strength/confidence from free cypriots/roc government support and the toppling of gadaffi;
3. turkey comes down hard. bangs a few heads together/arrests a few journalists;
4. revolts grow stronger, events start making world news;
5. eroglu caught between rock and hard place. forced to resign. some turkish general declares martial law;
6. more revolts, tcs beaten up/shot at by police;
7. world alerted using youtube/social media showing turkish atrocities;
8. roc president condemns violent attacks on cypriot citizens and calls for embargoes/frozen assets on turkey;
9. talat claims asylum and calls on the world to help free his people from turkish oppression;
10. eu threatens turkey. turkey tells europe to f -off;
11. outraged cypriots out on the street, north and south, marching onto the green line;
12. turkish troops overpowered by people power, green line torn down;
13. cyprus liberated.
14. turkish regime collapses.

[Hermes]

1. support/encourage/show solidarity to tcs revolting against turkish austerity/control;
2. tcs revolt in numbers, gaining strength/confidence from free cypriots/roc government support and the toppling of gadaffi;
3. turkey comes down hard. bangs a few heads together/arrests a few journalists;
4. revolts grow stronger, events start making world news;
5. eroglu caught between rock and hard place. forced to resign. some turkish general declares martial law;
6. more revolts, tcs beaten up/shot at by police;
7. world alerted using youtube/social media showing turkish atrocities;
8. roc president condemns violent attacks on cypriot citizens and calls for embargoes/frozen assets on turkey;
9. talat claims asylum and calls on the world to help free his people from turkish oppression;
10. eu threatens turkey. turkey tells europe to f -off;
11. outraged cypriots out on the street, north and south, marching onto the green line;
12. turkish troops overpowered by people power, green line torn down;
13. cyprus liberated.
14. turkish regime collapses.

Now that is a strategy. ZoC for President!

[ZoC]

1. support/encourage/show solidarity to tcs revolting against turkish austerity/control;
2. tcs revolt in numbers, gaining strength/confidence from free cypriots/roc government support and the toppling of gadaffi;
3. turkey comes down hard. bangs a few heads together/arrests a few journalists;
4. revolts grow stronger, events start making world news;
5. eroglu caught between rock and hard place. forced to resign. some turkish general declares martial law;
6. more revolts, tcs beaten up/shot at by police;
7. world alerted using youtube/social media showing turkish atrocities;
8. roc president condemns violent attacks on cypriot citizens and calls for embargoes/frozen assets on turkey;
9. talat claims asylum and calls on the world to help free his people from turkish oppression;
10. eu threatens turkey. turkey tells europe to f -off;
11. outraged cypriots out on the street, north and south, marching onto the green line;
12. turkish troops overpowered by people power, green line torn down;
13. cyprus liberated.
14. turkish regime collapses.

Now that is a strategy. ZoC for President!

might need a bit of fine tuning... but essentially this is the window that's opening for cypriots, in this charlie's opinion...

[Get Real!]

1. support/encourage/show solidarity to tcs revolting against turkish austerity/control;
2. tcs revolt in numbers, gaining strength/confidence from free cypriots/roc government support and the toppling of gadaffi;

And what if Turkey backs off as a result of our involvement and let’s the TCs continue unchallenged in the occupied territory? You would’ve assisted them to preserve what’s been happening for 36 years!

[Viewpoint]

we are discussing what the GCs can do to support their cause im evaluating from your perspective, you believe that the TCs are revolting against Turkey then surely you should be doing something to support them, isnt that what you always wanted? or do you agree with me that its no big deal and should be blown out of proportion?

Are the T/Cs revolting against Turkey? The most we can say is that a division has come out into the open between the T/Cs and the settlers. We should try and exploit that for sure, but I see no evidence of a widespread revolt against the occupation.

The T/Cs are fucked if they do nothing. But I don't think they have the brains to realize that their only hope for survival is within a united Cyprus under the EU. So what can we do when even the T/Cs have given up on themselves?

This is a cop out response as it clearly confirms that Gcs are not genuine about a solution thus pushing the TCs closer to Turkey, if they were genuine and believed that the protests are a revolt then sure its a prime opportunity to encourage union and working together to build trust and understanding. You obvious believe this opportunity does not exist therefore agreeing with me that the protests in the north are no more than against government reforms.

[ZoC]

1. support/encourage/show solidarity to tcs revolting against turkish austerity/control;
2. tcs revolt in numbers, gaining strength/confidence from free cypriots/roc government support and the toppling of gadaffi;

And what if Turkey backs off as a result of our involvement and let’s the TCs continue unchallenged in the occupied territory? You would’ve assisted them to preserve what’s been happening for 36 years!

i may be away from the horo, but i'm not on another planet....