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[Hermes]

They were a spectator in their own tragedy.

Yes, Bir. The T/Cs passively collaborated with the British. Then passively waged a guerilla campaign against the majority population throughout the 60s. Then passively welcomed the Turkish invaders in 74. Then passively formed the pseudo-state. Continue to passively exploit our property and land. Passively proclaim that they are entitled to keep it and deny our right of return. And passively come on to public forums and explain to us that the division of our island is nothing to do with Turkish expansionism but is mainly our fault for threatening Turkish hegemony in the region!

God preserve us from T/C passivity!

Now that you are faced with the consequences of your own passivity might I suggest you get up off your passive backsides and say sorry for doing nothing all these years.

[quattro]

so when ankara says she wants a solution, i guess, by your thinking, they are lying sons of bitches...

You know as well as I do that politicians are very selective with the truth...They tell you what they think you want to hear,and quietly do what is in their interest...Turkish politicians are not exempt from this rule...

ok then the gcs were right in rejecting the anan plan...right?...

should the gcs ever trust turkish politicians in the future?... no fucking hope...

thanks a million for the insight...

The Annan Plan was not prepared by Turkish politicians...It was a UN initiative and the agreement had UN backing...Biggggg difference...

And in any case,after the GC blackflip following the 1960 agreements,can the TCs ever trust anything GC politicians say now??? That is the 6 Million dollar question...

No Bir but it was prepared FOR the Turkish politicians and Generals .
There was not a single line in there for the benefit of the CYPRIOTS
A plan with empty pages for sign .....Do you use to sign empty checks
I believe not .
Its time to let go of EOKA EOKA B Akritas ENOSIS those are long gone except from taksim ie(VP and company )its still there above our heads .

[BirKibrisli]

Birk: I think the TC community is at risk if they opt for annexation to Turkey. The TC population in Cyprus has seen a substantial decline over the last 45 years.

I hope I am wrong. Thats what makes Cyprus different to Greece ad I imagine Turkey though I have not been there \

The TCs had very little say in what has happened to them,Andrea...
Trust me,their fate was decided the moment Enosis with Greece became GC preoccupation and ambition...I know I am repeating this,but it is only because you people are all in denial...Never,not even for one single moment in history were the TCs had the power to decide their own future...They were a spectator in their own tragedy...

pathetic. anyone who remains a spectator in their own demise deserves nothing less than extinction.

Hitler would agree with you,Mala...The Jews were spectators in their own tragedy too...

errr... as i understand it - rather than becoming extinct at the hands of hitler - the jews went on to establish the state of israel. they didn't do that by being spectators.

They were spectators during the WWII...Their time came later...Just like our time is coming now...

[BirKibrisli]

They were a spectator in their own tragedy.

Yes, Bir. The T/Cs passively collaborated with the British. Then passively waged a guerilla campaign against the majority population throughout the 60s. Then passively welcomed the Turkish invaders in 74. Then passively formed the pseudo-state. Continue to passively exploit our property and land. Passively proclaim that they are entitled to keep it and deny our right of return. And passively come on to public forums and explain to us that the division of our island is nothing to do with Turkish expansionism but is mainly our fault for threatening Turkish hegemony in the region!

God preserve us from T/C passivity!

Now that you are faced with the consequences of your own passivity might I suggest you get up off your passive backsides and say sorry for doing nothing all these years.

You can do all the spin doctoring you like,Hermes...Nothing will change the fact that the TCs were always on the back foot,trying to survive first your Enosis onslought,, your scheeming Akritas plan,then your highjaking of the RoC,then the Greek inspired coup,and the following Turkish onslought followed by your immoral embargoes and isolation tactics... Our fate was sealed the moment the terrorist Sampson was declared President...Comprendre????

[BirKibrisli]

so when ankara says she wants a solution, i guess, by your thinking, they are lying sons of bitches...

You know as well as I do that politicians are very selective with the truth...They tell you what they think you want to hear,and quietly do what is in their interest...Turkish politicians are not exempt from this rule...

ok then the gcs were right in rejecting the anan plan...right?...

should the gcs ever trust turkish politicians in the future?... no fucking hope...

thanks a million for the insight...

The Annan Plan was not prepared by Turkish politicians...It was a UN initiative and the agreement had UN backing...Biggggg difference...

And in any case,after the GC blackflip following the 1960 agreements,can the TCs ever trust anything GC politicians say now??? That is the 6 Million dollar question...

No Bir but it was prepared FOR the Turkish politicians and Generals .
There was not a single line in there for the benefit of the CYPRIOTS
A plan with empty pages for sign .....Do you use to sign empty checks
I believe not .
Its time to let go of EOKA EOKA B Akritas ENOSIS those are long gone except from taksim ie(VP and company )its still there above our heads .

No,quattro,the time to let go of those unquestionably indigestible acts of stupidity would be when those on this forum who accuse the TCs of everything under the sun realise exactly what the consequences of those actions were,and still are...People have to face the truth however indigestible it might be...Then we can move forward,built empathy,understanding and compassion,and hopefully reunite our homeland...

[ZoC]

Birk: I think the TC community is at risk if they opt for annexation to Turkey. The TC population in Cyprus has seen a substantial decline over the last 45 years.

I hope I am wrong. Thats what makes Cyprus different to Greece ad I imagine Turkey though I have not been there \

The TCs had very little say in what has happened to them,Andrea...
Trust me,their fate was decided the moment Enosis with Greece became GC preoccupation and ambition...I know I am repeating this,but it is only because you people are all in denial...Never,not even for one single moment in history were the TCs had the power to decide their own future...They were a spectator in their own tragedy...

pathetic. anyone who remains a spectator in their own demise deserves nothing less than extinction.

Hitler would agree with you,Mala...The Jews were spectators in their own tragedy too...

errr... as i understand it - rather than becoming extinct at the hands of hitler - the jews went on to establish the state of israel. they didn't do that by being spectators.

They were spectators during the WWII...Their time came later...Just like our time is coming now...

as i said before, ur a total loony.

[Hermes]

They were a spectator in their own tragedy.

Yes, Bir. The T/Cs passively collaborated with the British. Then passively waged a guerilla campaign against the majority population throughout the 60s. Then passively welcomed the Turkish invaders in 74. Then passively formed the pseudo-state. Continue to passively exploit our property and land. Passively proclaim that they are entitled to keep it and deny our right of return. And passively come on to public forums and explain to us that the division of our island is nothing to do with Turkish expansionism but is mainly our fault for threatening Turkish hegemony in the region!

God preserve us from T/C passivity!

Now that you are faced with the consequences of your own passivity might I suggest you get up off your passive backsides and say sorry for doing nothing all these years.

You can do all the spin doctoring you like,Hermes...Nothing will change the fact that the TCs were always on the back foot,trying to survive first your Enosis onslought,, your scheeming Akritas plan,then your highjaking of the RoC,then the Greek inspired coup,and the following Turkish onslought followed by your immoral embargoes and isolation tactics... Our fate was sealed the moment the terrorist Sampson was declared President...Comprendre????

Sorry but T/Cs made a moral choice to side with the forces ranged against the RoC and they have done so till this day. Even till this day many T/Cs justify the invasion and occupation as a matter of "saving" the T/Cs and blame the G/C population for inviting Turkey to invade and occupy our island. Now you find that Turkey's policies threaten to eradicate you from the island you expect the world to feel sorry for you. Tough. You have brought your fate on yourselves through your own stupidity, racism and treachery. Maybe you knew no better. You trusted dangerous fools like Denktash and thought the Turkish army would give you the revenge you couldn't exact on the majority Greeks yourselves. Well you have had your taste of revenge and now you face the bitter consequences.

Erdogan has shown his hand and in Eroglu you have a "leader" who truly represents your community. A small-time racist hick without vision or credibility who panders to Turkish dreams of partition. You are where you are.

Personally I think T/Cs are going to struggle to survive on the island unless they turn their backs on Turkey. Those that do remain would be better off in a unified ROC where they will at least be subject to EU citizenship protection. I'd take that over life in a Turkish military camp masquerading as a "state". But then I'm a Greek Cypriot and I have certain standards.

[DTA]

so when ankara says she wants a solution, i guess, by your thinking, they are lying sons of bitches...

You know as well as I do that politicians are very selective with the truth...They tell you what they think you want to hear,and quietly do what is in their interest...Turkish politicians are not exempt from this rule...

ok then the gcs were right in rejecting the anan plan...right?...

should the gcs ever trust turkish politicians in the future?... no fucking hope...

thanks a million for the insight...

The Annan Plan was not prepared by Turkish politicians...It was a UN initiative and the agreement had UN backing...Biggggg difference...

And in any case,after the GC blackflip following the 1960 agreements,can the TCs ever trust anything GC politicians say now??? That is the 6 Million dollar question...

No Bir but it was prepared FOR the Turkish politicians and Generals .
There was not a single line in there for the benefit of the CYPRIOTS
A plan with empty pages for sign .....Do you use to sign empty checks
I believe not .
Its time to let go of EOKA EOKA B Akritas ENOSIS those are long gone except from taksim ie(VP and company )its still there above our heads .

Can I ask specifically what was wrong with the Annan plan, because from a Tc perspective it required compromises on our part too, for example refugees from Guzel Yurt (mourfo) becoming refugees again for a third time in their own lifetime.

But never the less I am interested in what the GC felt was so wrong about it, but please give specific details so we can better understand - I may post this in a thread of its own as I feel that it is important.

[quattro]

so when ankara says she wants a solution, i guess, by your thinking, they are lying sons of bitches...

You know as well as I do that politicians are very selective with the truth...They tell you what they think you want to hear,and quietly do what is in their interest...Turkish politicians are not exempt from this rule...

ok then the gcs were right in rejecting the anan plan...right?...

should the gcs ever trust turkish politicians in the future?... no fucking hope...

thanks a million for the insight...

The Annan Plan was not prepared by Turkish politicians...It was a UN initiative and the agreement had UN backing...Biggggg difference...

And in any case,after the GC blackflip following the 1960 agreements,can the TCs ever trust anything GC politicians say now??? That is the 6 Million dollar question...

No Bir but it was prepared FOR the Turkish politicians and Generals .
There was not a single line in there for the benefit of the CYPRIOTS
A plan with empty pages for sign .....Do you use to sign empty checks
I believe not .
Its time to let go of EOKA EOKA B Akritas ENOSIS those are long gone except from taksim ie(VP and company )its still there above our heads .

Can I ask specifically what was wrong with the Annan plan, because from a Tc perspective it required compromises on our part too, for example refugees from Guzel Yurt (mourfo) becoming refugees again for a third time in their own lifetime.

But never the less I am interested in what the GC felt was so wrong about it, but please give specific details so we can better understand - I may post this in a thread of its own as I feel that it is important.

Take a quote :
10. The UN's so-called Annan Plan, for resolution of the Cyprus problem, evolved through five different texts. Up to Annan III the proposal was subject to negotiations with the Cypriote: it was generally acceptable to the Greek Cypriots but rejected by Denktash and his army supporters in Turkey. The final proposal, Annan V, radically changed to satisfy the wishes of the Turkish army, was not made subject to Greek Cypriot or Turkish Cypriot negotiation Its apparent objective was to secure a deal, of any sort, in advance of Cypriot accession to the EU, in such formula as would help to decriminalize Turkey's position in Cyprus and ease Turkey's path to EU accession.
Clare Palley was a legal advisor to the UN process. It has been written that no one reading her exhaustive documentation of events and statements relating to Annan V could fail to be convinced "that the rush to force a settlement on the Greek and Turkish Cypriots in 2004 was motivated and executed with deceit, stupidity and flagrant disregard for the sovereignty and freedom of peoples."

[jahitty]

ROC political parties are so divided that they are unable to see beyond thier own noses, they dont speak with one voice, us in the north are no different.