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[Get Real!]

The problem in Cyprus is the Turkish expansionism.

Cypriots are not more nationalistic than the people of any other country, especially under the same circumstances. For example go back to UK or France during WWII, when the sovereignty and freedom of those countries was threatened by foreign invaders, and you will see that the people of UK and France back then were even more nationalistic than Cypriots are today. Are we going to blame the British and the French for defending their nation and their freedom, or the Nazis for invading them? I think the answer is obvious.

The problem in Cyprus is not a conflict between "communities". The Turkish minority on the island is merely used as an excuse by Turkey to illegally occupy our lands and Turikfy the north part of our island by ethnically cleansing the vast majority of the native population.

If it wasn't for the Turkish expansionism, the Turkish minority on the island would be like all other ethnic minorities in Cyprus, and all ethnic minorities in any normal democratic country, living in peace with the majority of the population without any major problems.

But we are not just any other minority, get this into your head we are an equal partner.

It doesn’t actually say that in the 59 agreements but even if it did your community has long denounced and abandoned them so you can’t go back and forth as you please!

Doing so would mean that you no longer recognise the "TRNC"!

[boulio]

But we are not just any other minority, get this into your head we are an equal partner

I;ve come across this similar statement many times on other forums and turkish news articles as t/c as founding members and equal partners in the ROC?

DOES THIS SAY IT IN ANY PART OF THE foundation agreement or constitiuion of the ROC?

Or is it turkish and t/c propoganda?

[CBBB]

What was equal about a ratio of 7:3?

[supporttheunderdog]

The problem today is not the Cyprus problem, but the Turkish Problem. That was probbaly the case in 1974 too, but the calls for Enosis in the period 60-74 (which Big Mak initially supported) and the the Greek Junta inspired / led coup (Greek expansionism?) coupled with intercommunal violence gave Turkey the excuse it needed.

I recall reading somewhere that a (former?) Turkish minister or Official had indicated that the Turks would have found an excuse to invade anyway, while the recent talk by the Turkish PM has further shown that the Turkish Governement dont care about the Turkish Cypriots only Turkish geopolitical .

The principal problem for Cyprus (both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots is how to deal with Turkey: what must be done is for the RoC government to ensure there is good deal for the Turkish speaking Cypriots to cut the ground out from under Turkey's feet. We can however expect that as thy did in 2004 the Turks will keep moving the goal posts.

[Bananiot]

The causes are diverse. However, one problem that persists in this forum is the orgasmic pleasure sought by those on both sides who are hell bent on magnifying our differences rather than the so many good things that are mutual to us all.

[B25]

[quote="supporttheunderdog"]I recall reading somewhere that a (former?) Turkish minister or Official had indicated that the Turks would have found an excuse to invade anyway, while the recent talk by the Turkish PM has further shown that the Turkish Governement dont care about the Turkish Cypriots only Turkish geopolitical .[quote]

Yes STUD, it was a quote by the Turkish FM who said " .. Even if there were no Muslims in Cyprus we would still be there...." Or something to that effect. Was in a book he wrote.

[denizaksulu]

The problem in Cyprus is the Turkish expansionism.

Cypriots are not more nationalistic than the people of any other country, especially under the same circumstances. For example go back to UK or France during WWII, when the sovereignty and freedom of those countries was threatened by foreign invaders, and you will see that the people of UK and France back then were even more nationalistic than Cypriots are today. Are we going to blame the British and the French for defending their nation and their freedom, or the Nazis for invading them? I think the answer is obvious.

The problem in Cyprus is not a conflict between "communities". The Turkish minority on the island is merely used as an excuse by Turkey to illegally occupy our lands and Turikfy the north part of our island by ethnically cleansing the vast majority of the native population.

If it wasn't for the Turkish expansionism, the Turkish minority on the island would be like all other ethnic minorities in Cyprus, and all ethnic minorities in any normal democratic country, living in peace with the majority of the population without any major problems.

But we are not just any other minority, get this into your head we are an equal partner.

You are an ethnic minority, just like every other ethnic minority, used by Turkey as an excuse to serve her own interests in Cyprus.

If Turkey was not using your minority as an excuse, then Cyprus would have no problem whatsoever.

The way Turkey is using your minority is exactly by promising to you gains on our expense. This is why you think that your minority of 18% can be equated to the 82% majority. If any other minority in any other country had demands such as yours (and the backing to promote them) then that country would have problems too.

Whatever you wish to call the Turkish speaking Cypriots we do have the same rights as any other Cypriot. No more and no less. That is equality. TC's and GC's better get used to this idea.

[Piratis]

The problem in Cyprus is the Turkish expansionism.

Cypriots are not more nationalistic than the people of any other country, especially under the same circumstances. For example go back to UK or France during WWII, when the sovereignty and freedom of those countries was threatened by foreign invaders, and you will see that the people of UK and France back then were even more nationalistic than Cypriots are today. Are we going to blame the British and the French for defending their nation and their freedom, or the Nazis for invading them? I think the answer is obvious.

The problem in Cyprus is not a conflict between "communities". The Turkish minority on the island is merely used as an excuse by Turkey to illegally occupy our lands and Turikfy the north part of our island by ethnically cleansing the vast majority of the native population.

If it wasn't for the Turkish expansionism, the Turkish minority on the island would be like all other ethnic minorities in Cyprus, and all ethnic minorities in any normal democratic country, living in peace with the majority of the population without any major problems.

But we are not just any other minority, get this into your head we are an equal partner.

You are an ethnic minority, just like every other ethnic minority, used by Turkey as an excuse to serve her own interests in Cyprus.

If Turkey was not using your minority as an excuse, then Cyprus would have no problem whatsoever.

The way Turkey is using your minority is exactly by promising to you gains on our expense. This is why you think that your minority of 18% can be equated to the 82% majority. If any other minority in any other country had demands such as yours (and the backing to promote them) then that country would have problems too.

Whatever you wish to call the Turkish speaking Cypriots we do have the same rights as any other Cypriot. No more and no less. That is equality. TC's and GC's better get used to this idea.

We are already used to that idea and we have no problem with it since that is exactly what we support. It is people like VP that do not like such idea, because they don't want Cypriot people to be equal.

Say you had 10 children, 8 girls and 2 boys. And you wanted them to equally share a gift of 100 euro. How would you do it? Would you give 50 euro to the girls to share between them and 50 euros to the boys to share between them? If you did it in this way, each girl would get €6.25 while each boy would get €25. This does not create equality but inequality and this is what VP supports, so that he will get for himself more than his fair share on our expense.

On the contrary what I support is real equality among Cypriot people, so each Cypriot is equal to another Cypriot, regardless of their ethnicity, religion, language, gender or anything else.

[Get Real!]

However, one problem that persists in this forum is the orgasmic pleasure sought by those on both sides who are hell bent on magnifying our differences rather than the so many good things that are mutual to us all.

Yes, we see that happening often...

Before 1963 they did their best to send the TC's packing into the arms of Turkey and now they will do the same. Given half a chance they will murder every TC, believe me. They are just using human rights and democrasy cries as an excuse because they can not get their way, at present.

[supporttheunderdog]

However, one problem that persists in this forum is the orgasmic pleasure sought by those on both sides who are hell bent on magnifying our differences rather than the so many good things that are mutual to us all.

Yes, we see that happening often...

Before 1963 they did their best to send the TC's packing into the arms of Turkey and now they will do the same. Given half a chance they will murder every TC, believe me. They are just using human rights and democrasy cries as an excuse because they can not get their way, at present.

Yes or practice ethnic cleansing: This what that arch racist has to say

I have no respect for your community whatsoever and would not want your people on Cyprus under any circumstances.

It’s like you’ve got a foul DNA makeup which oozes with corruption and downright dishonesty…