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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:40 pm

Piratis wrote:The problem in Cyprus is the Turkish expansionism.

Cypriots are not more nationalistic than the people of any other country, especially under the same circumstances. For example go back to UK or France during WWII, when the sovereignty and freedom of those countries was threatened by foreign invaders, and you will see that the people of UK and France back then were even more nationalistic than Cypriots are today. Are we going to blame the British and the French for defending their nation and their freedom, or the Nazis for invading them? I think the answer is obvious.

The problem in Cyprus is not a conflict between "communities". The Turkish minority on the island is merely used as an excuse by Turkey to illegally occupy our lands and Turikfy the north part of our island by ethnically cleansing the vast majority of the native population.

If it wasn't for the Turkish expansionism, the Turkish minority on the island would be like all other ethnic minorities in Cyprus, and all ethnic minorities in any normal democratic country, living in peace with the majority of the population without any major problems.


But we are not just any other minority, get this into your head we are an equal partner.
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Postby DTA » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:21 am

This was a good thread full of good will by both gcs and tcs and then the above post derailed it with a very myopic view. That is a shame.

To add my two pence in the spirit of the thread: I think that Cypriot identity is key to finding a lasting peace that identity can not be Greek or Turkish just Cypriot but this far from the case.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:25 am

DTA wrote:This was a good thread full of good will by both gcs and tcs and then the above post derailed it with a very myopic view. That is a shame.

To add my two pence in the spirit of the thread: I think that Cypriot identity is key to finding a lasting peace that identity can not be Greek or Turkish just Cypriot but this far from the case.


That can only develop over time, where trust is proven.
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Postby B25 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:30 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:The problem in Cyprus is the Turkish expansionism.

Cypriots are not more nationalistic than the people of any other country, especially under the same circumstances. For example go back to UK or France during WWII, when the sovereignty and freedom of those countries was threatened by foreign invaders, and you will see that the people of UK and France back then were even more nationalistic than Cypriots are today. Are we going to blame the British and the French for defending their nation and their freedom, or the Nazis for invading them? I think the answer is obvious.

The problem in Cyprus is not a conflict between "communities". The Turkish minority on the island is merely used as an excuse by Turkey to illegally occupy our lands and Turikfy the north part of our island by ethnically cleansing the vast majority of the native population.

If it wasn't for the Turkish expansionism, the Turkish minority on the island would be like all other ethnic minorities in Cyprus, and all ethnic minorities in any normal democratic country, living in peace with the majority of the population without any major problems.


But we are not just any other minority, get this into your head we are an equal partner.


:) :) :) this is the joke of the centuary FFS. equal my arse and thats the crux of the problem boys and girls.

The TCs think that 50,000 = 850,000 :x

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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:34 am

B25 wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:The problem in Cyprus is the Turkish expansionism.

Cypriots are not more nationalistic than the people of any other country, especially under the same circumstances. For example go back to UK or France during WWII, when the sovereignty and freedom of those countries was threatened by foreign invaders, and you will see that the people of UK and France back then were even more nationalistic than Cypriots are today. Are we going to blame the British and the French for defending their nation and their freedom, or the Nazis for invading them? I think the answer is obvious.

The problem in Cyprus is not a conflict between "communities". The Turkish minority on the island is merely used as an excuse by Turkey to illegally occupy our lands and Turikfy the north part of our island by ethnically cleansing the vast majority of the native population.

If it wasn't for the Turkish expansionism, the Turkish minority on the island would be like all other ethnic minorities in Cyprus, and all ethnic minorities in any normal democratic country, living in peace with the majority of the population without any major problems.


But we are not just any other minority, get this into your head we are an equal partner.


:) :) :) this is the joke of the centuary FFS. equal my arse and thats the crux of the problem boys and girls.

The TCs think that 50,000 = 850,000 :x

Plonker


Exactly, this has been your problem all along, you just cant accept that we have a partnership and not a majority minority situation. Even your constitution today tells you that we have a 30% stake and a right to veto in the "RoC" does that sound like a minority majority situation?
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Postby DTA » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:35 am

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Postby DTA » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:07 am

Viewpoint wrote:
DTA wrote:This was a good thread full of good will by both gcs and tcs and then the above post derailed it with a very myopic view. That is a shame.

To add my two pence in the spirit of the thread: I think that Cypriot identity is key to finding a lasting peace that identity can not be Greek or Turkish just Cypriot but this far from the case.


That can only develop over time, where trust is proven.


I agree
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Postby DTA » Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:01 am

Viewpoint wrote:
DTA wrote:This was a good thread full of good will by both gcs and tcs and then the above post derailed it with a very myopic view. That is a shame.

To add my two pence in the spirit of the thread: I think that Cypriot identity is key to finding a lasting peace that identity can not be Greek or Turkish just Cypriot but this far from the case.


That can only develop over time, where trust is proven.
the whole myopic thing was aimed at piriates not you by the way vp.
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Postby kurupetos » Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:04 am

DTA wrote:Dp


I agree. :mrgreen:
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Postby Piratis » Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:15 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:The problem in Cyprus is the Turkish expansionism.

Cypriots are not more nationalistic than the people of any other country, especially under the same circumstances. For example go back to UK or France during WWII, when the sovereignty and freedom of those countries was threatened by foreign invaders, and you will see that the people of UK and France back then were even more nationalistic than Cypriots are today. Are we going to blame the British and the French for defending their nation and their freedom, or the Nazis for invading them? I think the answer is obvious.

The problem in Cyprus is not a conflict between "communities". The Turkish minority on the island is merely used as an excuse by Turkey to illegally occupy our lands and Turikfy the north part of our island by ethnically cleansing the vast majority of the native population.

If it wasn't for the Turkish expansionism, the Turkish minority on the island would be like all other ethnic minorities in Cyprus, and all ethnic minorities in any normal democratic country, living in peace with the majority of the population without any major problems.


But we are not just any other minority, get this into your head we are an equal partner.


You are an ethnic minority, just like every other ethnic minority, used by Turkey as an excuse to serve her own interests in Cyprus.

If Turkey was not using your minority as an excuse, then Cyprus would have no problem whatsoever.

The way Turkey is using your minority is exactly by promising to you gains on our expense. This is why you think that your minority of 18% can be equated to the 82% majority. If any other minority in any other country had demands such as yours (and the backing to promote them) then that country would have problems too.
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