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[detailer]

In many times, you decleared turkish as "barbarians" etc in a general context. This is a racist comment.

You are the first person in this forum who talks about not seeing each other because it may make it difficult for you to kill us.

I also strongly believe that you have a "very close" relation with admin since you have too much "correlation" with him.

Whatever my friend, this is my last post here. Good luck.

[Piratis]

In many times, you decleared turkish as "barbarians" etc in a general context. This is a racist comment.

A racist comment versus your racist actions. You should be the last one to complain about racism.

You are the first person in this forum who talks about not seeing each other because it may make it difficult for you to kill us.

We are in a war situation because you illegally occupy our land. War is a terrible thing and I hope I will never have to live one, let alone to kill somebody. However we will not sign off our land, as long as you occupy our land there will not be peace, and we have to be ready for the worst.

I also strongly believe that you have a "very close" relation with admin since you have too much "correlation" with him.

You can believe whatever you want. I couldn't care less.

Whatever my friend, this is my last post here. Good luck.

Good luck to you too. Now that you can avoid listening to the opposite view because you classified all of us as "extremists" with no right to be heard, you can all discuss by yourselves and feel happy.

[Melis]

[quote="Piratis"]
"the "TRNC" for example. The extremists that manage the occupied areas have managed to "infect" the majority of the population who is now immune to arguments about human rights and they are looking for excuses as to why violating the human rights of others is ok."

This is something which confuses me, the TC community is often presented as passive; perhaps following the footpath of fortune, perhaps the dictates of an "illegitimate regime", or the demands of extremists or external powers. That is, the TC community as a whole is rarely viewed capable of formulating its own opinions, having its own legitimate fears, acting and making decisions in its own interests. This in itself complicates negotiation . Why negotiate with puppets?

[ELLAS H TEFRA!]

In many times, you decleared turkish as "barbarians" etc in a general context. This is a racist comment.

You are the first person in this forum who talks about not seeing each other because it may make it difficult for you to kill us.

I also strongly believe that you have a very close relation with admin since you have too much "correlation" with him.

Whatever my friend, this is my last post here. Good luck.

"In her discussion of nationalism in Cyprus in the 1970s and 1980s, Layoun examines the crisis that emerged after the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974. As Cypriots faced the partial occupation of their island by Turkey and its division into Greek and Turkish sections, the officially authored narratives from the Greek Cypriot community did what nationalist rhetoric has so often done: it cast the invaded Cypriot nation as a woman raped. At the same time, rape was no mere metaphor; as Layoun points out, women in Cyprus, like women in any war situation, were in fact quite vulnerable, and rape by Turkish soldiers was so common that the number of resulting pregnancies led the Cypriot Orthodox Church [End Page 434] to sanction abortion for several months after the invasion (99). But the reality of war's particular threat to women (which Beverly Allen has described in reference to Bosnia as "rape warfare") only highlights Layoun's point: the dangerous rhetoric of ethnic purity carries additional political force when it is narrated through the logic of gender."

http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/american_l ... ister.html

[Piratis]

This is something which confuses me, the TC community is often presented as passive; perhaps following the footpath of fortune, perhaps the dictates of an "illegitimate regime", or the demands of extremists or external powers. That is, the TC community as a whole is rarely viewed capable of formulating its own opinions, having its own legitimate fears, acting and making decisions in its own interests. This in itself complicates negotiation . Why negotiate with puppets?

Melis, there are 2 points:
1) Today there is no such thing as a TC leader. The election results in the occupied areas are determined by the thousands of Turkish settlers. Can a TC politician act as a TC leader alone (Serving the interests of TCs without serving the interests of the settlers) and be elected? The answer is no.

2) Can Talad or anybody else in his place take a decision without Turkey's approval? The answer is again no.

So yes, negotiating with puppets is a waste of time. Either Turkey should remove her settlers and allow TCs to take the decisions, or RoC should negotiate directly with the decision maker (Turkey).

[Melis]

Your point is valid.... and I dont deny the importance of external influence . .

However, the TC people can not be dismissed as passive . . the populations response to the Annan Plan is a key example of a non passive community, trying, despite the constraints that we speak of, to shape their future (The election of a pro annan party, and the endorsement of the peace plan despite Presidential opposition.)

The Turkish Cypriot youth, in particular, are ambitious, educated, and fed up ... As evidenced by poll results, they did not defer to the warnings issued either by Denktas, or older generation TC's. They did not act like puppets. One could perhaps argue that the GC population are puppets, who when faced with the overwhelming negative political and religious response to the plan, were unable take truly "independent" decisions. Just a thought.

[Piratis]

However, the TC people can not be dismissed as passive . . the populations response to the Annan Plan is a key example of a non passive community, trying, despite the constraints that we speak of, to shape their future (The election of a pro annan party, and the endorsement of the peace plan despite Presidential opposition.)

Melis, I think you are missing the "puppeteer". The puppeteer in the occupied areas is not Denctash or any other "leader". The puppeteer is Turkey. If Turkey didn't want the Annan plan in a referendum then the TCs would not even have the chance to vote.
The Annan plan was placed in a referendum days before Cyprus entry in the EU because this is what Turkey wanted, and the result in the north was again what Turkey wanted. Why do you think all these happened just days before the entry of Cyprus in EU?

Talad became the leader because Turkey (and the Americans) wanted him to become. Can you imagine in RoC that suddenly our leader will not be considered our President but the Parliament chairman??
The puppet (Denctash) didn't serve the puppeteer anymore, and since that puppet was too stubborn to change the puppeteer simply changed his puppet (Talad).

The Turkish Cypriot youth, in particular, are ambitious, educated, and fed up ... As evidenced by poll results, they did not defer to the warnings issued either by Denktas, or older generation TC's. They did not act like puppets.

Denctash without the support of Turkey is nothing. I can perfectly understand the TC youth. Can they however go against Turkey and the Turkish army?

One could perhaps argue that the GC population are puppets, who when faced with the overwhelming negative political and religious response to the plan, were unable take truly "independent" decisions. Just a thought.

Of course some super religious people are puppets. There is no doubt. However this should not be used as an excuse. The Annan plan was a partition plan and this is the main reason that it was rejected.

[wake up]

extremeism isnt wrong it just means they are true cypriots who know you have to fight to be free.i belive that you have to fight am i an extremeist.i also support eoka and the golden dawn.we shall be free but we must fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dhavlos]

what do you consider a cypriot, wake up? - a GC, TC, or both equally?

[wake up]

there are only gcs no such thing in my book as tcs they are as bad as the turks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lon live eoka and gcs