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[SKI-preo]

View Point said:

a country that you originate from'

maybe you need a DNA test. Turkish Cypriots are more closely related to Greek Cypriots than Anatolian Turks. Don't forget it is most probable that many of your ancestors are Greek Cypriots who converted to avoid paying extra tax for being Christians.

[ZoC]

View Point said:

a country that you originate from'

maybe you need a DNA test. Turkish Cypriots are more closely related to Greek Cypriots than Anatolian Turks. Don't forget it is most probable that many of your ancestors are Greek Cypriots who converted to avoid paying extra tax for being Christians.

no, not vp. he's a direct descendant of genghis khan.... and one of the warlord's uglier, intellectually challenged wives.

[Filitsa]

Anyway, above all, both sides need to employ the good will necessary to make a BBF work. No one has yet to answer my question. Does it exist, and is it pervasive enough?

Good will? Only MacGyver does mission impossible.

... And, my little cyber warror, he subscribed to non-violent conflict resolution, used his gun sparingly, employed the resources available, and got the job done. In other words, he didn't sit around with his thumb up his ass talking sh.it while categorically denying progress.

Perhaps this is fodder for a new thread or poll?

It’s more like starvation of common sense because the united states you’re referring to were not founded on segregated ethnicities obliged to “amalgamate” for the “important things”, so there is no parallel whatsoever!

Don't you have a flare for the obvious! Do yourself a favor and read before you comment; you're so invested in being a smart-ass that you become redundant. It's already been considered and isn't an inherent barrier.

It doesn’t take me long to figure out an idiot!

As if any part of the American constitution can ever be adopted... even in the slightest, to accommodate the racist undemocratic rubbish of the proposed BBF!

And what do you know about the "American" Constitution, pinhead? XO

Obviously more than you do as I’m well aware that that it’s impossible to utilize any section of it as a basis for the proposed BBF, and that the closest comparison we can make to the BBF is the colourful assortment of 19th century tribal arrangements in Africa!

Stop deflecting with your sophomoric pissing contest, and answer the question, or admit that you don't know what the hell your talking about. Every BBF proposal I've read in this forum - and I'm guessing you've read the same - contains components of the U.S. Constitution, inadvertently or otherwise ... no mere coincidence, big guy.

What's the matter, GR? Did you get lost on the way to Wikipedia?

[Nikitas]

BBF, for me (the thread title wants a personal inerpretation), is Partition. I have no illusions about this. If BBF can be done withouth a simultaneous Enosis of the north with Turkey it will be palatable, not ideal but passable.

The other elements that would make it viable, in my opinion always, are:

Fair territorial apportionment, demarcation lines that are clear and easy to police, a clear understanding that SBAs are on the GC region and will revert to it when the British leave. Territorial lines that provide for a contiguous GC region unbroken by SBAS or other entities.

Most of the above is seen as a means to preventing future disputes which I expect to surface within a few months of any settlement. Turkey is not going to let Cypriots rest, it is clearly stated Turkish policy to create "spheres of influence" and oft repeated by its highest officials.

[Kikapu]

Filitsa now do you understand the danger that Kikapu is trying to sell the TCs?

I think, Viewpoint, that Kikapu genuinely and earnestly wants to make a BBF work for both sides, so no, I don't understand the danger to the TC's in his proposal. Perhaps I'm missing something, so please explain.

His plan which has been discussed to death literally, is a sell out to the GCs he not only wants us to reduce the north state to a size where GCs can easily over populate thus take control in both the lower and upper houses to get laws through to which the TCs could not refuse as their effective say would be erased.

You want to keep the north at 30+ %, which means that at the very least 100,000 GCs will be able to return to the north and allowed to exercise their Democratic rights to be able to vote under the EU Principles, which means that the GCs will most definitely be able to take away some of the upper house seats in the north for sure. While you are at it, why don't you ask for the whole 37% of the north and allow 180,000 GCs to return against 130,000 TCs and settlers combined, which will mean that the upper house seats will be all GCs, north and south states. Just exactly whose side are you really on, and you accuse me of having the GCs take away power from the TCs. The more land you keep, the more GCs will have the option to return back to their properties and also be able to vote in the north state. Very simple really!

Its has always been between 29% and 25% so dont make things up to suit your twisted mentality,

Those are your figures, which does not fit with the reality of the situation, from actual land ownership of the TCs in Cyprus to how you can even pay for the extra land in the north with the money you don't have, even if the GCs did not want to claim their land back but just wanted compensation.

isnt you who claims the GCs will not want to live under TC administration

That is correct, which is the reasons why you want to keep most of the land in the north. You want to establish the boundaries legally, so that when the time comes to declare independence from the union, you will not have the same problems you are having today. This is also the reason why the GCs will not trust you to have their land in the north state, but would rather have it in the south state. They can read you like an open book and so can I as to what your future intentions are. That is why you do not want to agree on a smaller state territory in the north, which not only gives the TCs a overwhelming majority in the north state, but as well as not giving any GC the incentive to live with you since their land would be part of the south state, as per my plan. The bigger the north state, the more incentive you are going to give to the GCs to move to their land in large numbers over time to make the north a majority GCs once again, but you are not worried about that, because in your view, it's not going to take too long to have another civil war in Cyprus to break all ties with the union. Is that not the reason why you want the Turkish Army to remain for so called security, when the security if needed can be provided by a NATO force instead.?

I have also offered my version of the how the island wide voting system

Your version does not make sense what so ever, because it does not reflect the system to be established under a BBF. Your system would be more useful in a UNITARY state and not BBF. What's the point of having a BBF when you want to use a Unitary system of voting as well as not in a Democratic way. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Yeah, I know it's unfair that you can't do that, but then again, life's a bitch sometimes.

would guarantee representation from both states without the risk of GCs taking full power and erasing an TC effective say in their own future.

That is the the whole problem why your vision for Cyprus is wrong and as to why you cannot be trusted on a settlement unless it is Democratic, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles when you make statements like the above when you say "erasing an TC effective say in their own future." TCs are not supposed to be working toward their own future ONLY in a unified Cyprus. They are suppose to work towards having an effective say in the future of ALL Cypriots and Cyprus.!

[Get Real!]

Stop deflecting with your sophomoric pissing contest, and answer the question, or admit that you don't know what the hell your talking about. Every BBF proposal I've read in this forum - and I'm guessing you've read the same - contains components of the U.S. Constitution, inadvertently or otherwise ... no mere coincidence, big guy.

Foolhardy nincompoop, why don't you post the section of the American constitution that deals with what happens when the “TC state” decide to walk out and take up arms!

Oh here’s another one… how about the section that deals with Turkey implanting agitators to do a few false flag operations!

Hmm, what about when the “TC state” decides to roadblock all entries to/from it because they’re not getting their way? Does your American constitution have an answer for that Einstein?

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

Those are your figures, which does not fit with the reality of the situation, from actual land ownership of the TCs in Cyprus to how you can even pay for the extra land in the north with the money you don't have, even if the GCs did not want to claim their land back but just wanted compensation.

Let the TCs worry about that.

That is correct, which is the reasons why you want to keep most of the land in the north. You want to establish the boundaries legally, so that when the time comes to declare independence from the union, you will not have the same problems you are having today. This is also the reason why the GCs will not trust you to have their land in the north state, but would rather have it in the south state. They can read you like an open book and so can I as to what your future intentions are. That is why you do not want to agree on a smaller state territory in the north, which not only gives the TCs a overwhelming majority in the north state, but as well as not giving any GC the incentive to live with you since their land would be part of the south state, as per my plan. The bigger the north state, the more incentive you are going to give to the GCs to move to their land in large numbers over time to make the north a majority GCs once again, but you are not worried about that, because in your view, it's not going to take too long to have another civil war in Cyprus to break all ties with the union. Is that not the reason why you want the Turkish Army to remain for so called security, when the security if needed can be provided by a NATO force instead.?

The land percentage can be negotiated to allow as many GCs to return as possible as was the case in the AP but without the offer of a north state there will be no solution.

Your version does not make sense what so ever, because it does not reflect the system to be established under a BBF. Your system would be more useful in a UNITARY state and not BBF. What's the point of having a BBF when you want to use a Unitary system of voting as well as not in a Democratic way. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Yeah, I know it's unfair that you can't do that, but then again, life's a bitch sometimes.

Ho it does make sense you are just to stupid to see it as it does not conform to your surrender to the GCs policies.

That is the the whole problem why your vision for Cyprus is wrong and as to why you cannot be trusted on a settlement unless it is Democratic, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles when you make statements like the above when you say "erasing an TC effective say in their own future." TCs are not supposed to be working toward their own future ONLY in a unified Cyprus. They are suppose to work towards having an effective say in the future of ALL Cypriots and Cyprus.!

So what are you saying is that GCs cannot take away our effective influence in our future if we accept Democratic, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles , so in effect you are surrendering our rights into the hands of GCs in the name of Cypriotism??? another sell out, but we are all aware of where and with whom your priorities lay.

[boulio]

VP you keep harping about "state"you do realize it will be like rhode island in the US or bavaria IN GERMANY?NOT LIKE SLOVAKIA

[kurupetos]

View Point said:

a country that you originate from'

maybe you need a DNA test. Turkish Cypriots are more closely related to Greek Cypriots than Anatolian Turks. Don't forget it is most probable that many of your ancestors are Greek Cypriots who converted to avoid paying extra tax for being Christians.

This DNA shite is not just racist but also rubbish.

[humanist]

Sky

maybe you need a DNA test. Turkish Cypriots are more closely related to Greek Cypriots than Anatolian Turks. Don't forget it is most probable that many of your ancestors are Greek Cypriots who converted to avoid paying extra tax for being Christians.

Not according to their leader, who stated that they are Turks and that the Turkish people shouldn't call them scragers and users. Sorry but that admission changes a whole lot for me .... they should pack up their bags and go because they don't respect Cyprus at all.