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[humanist]

But you are Blanch you are .... a minority you make up 14% of the population both in the occupied area because the settlers out number you and you are a 14% in the Cypriot population.

[Get Real!]

Anyway, above all, both sides need to employ the good will necessary to make a BBF work. No one has yet to answer my question. Does it exist, and is it pervasive enough?

Good will? Only MacGyver does mission impossible.

... And, my little cyber warror, he subscribed to non-violent conflict resolution, used his gun sparingly, employed the resources available, and got the job done. In other words, he didn't sit around with his thumb up his ass talking sh.it while categorically denying progress.

Perhaps this is fodder for a new thread or poll?

It’s more like starvation of common sense because the united states you’re referring to were not founded on segregated ethnicities obliged to “amalgamate” for the “important things”, so there is no parallel whatsoever!

Don't you have a flare for the obvious! Do yourself a favor and read before you comment; you're so invested in being a smart-ass that you become redundant. It's already been considered and isn't an inherent barrier.

It doesn’t take me long to figure out an idiot!

As if any part of the American constitution can ever be adopted... even in the slightest, to accommodate the racist undemocratic rubbish of the proposed BBF!

And what do you know about the "American" Constitution, pinhead? XO

Obviously more than you do as I’m well aware that that it’s impossible to utilize any section of it as a basis for the proposed BBF, and that the closest comparison we can make to the BBF is the colourful assortment of 19th century tribal arrangements in Africa!

[Viewpoint]

Filitsa now do you understand the danger that Kikapu is trying to sell the TCs?

I think, Viewpoint, that Kikapu genuinely and earnestly wants to make a BBF work for both sides, so no, I don't understand the danger to the TC's in his proposal. Perhaps I'm missing something, so please explain.

His plan which has been discussed to death literally, is a sell out to the GCs he not only wants us to reduce the north state to a size where GCs can easily over populate thus take control in both the lower and upper houses to get laws through to which the TCs could not refuse as their effective say would be erased.

[kurupetos]

Filitsa now do you understand the danger that Kikapu is trying to sell the TCs?

I think, Viewpoint, that Kikapu genuinely and earnestly wants to make a BBF work for both sides, so no, I don't understand the danger to the TC's in his proposal. Perhaps I'm missing something, so please explain.

His plan which has been discussed to death literally, is a sell out to the GCs he not only wants us to reduce the north state to a size where GCs can easily over populate thus take control in both the lower and upper houses to get laws through to which the TCs could not refuse as their effective say would be erased.

There are no north and south states mate. You shouldn't have signed the 1959 treaty of guarantee if you wanted two states. Full stop.

ARTICLE 2

Greece the United Kingdom and Turkey, taking note of the undertakings by the Republic of Cyprus embodied in Article 1, recognize and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus, and also the provisions of the basic articles of its Constitution. They likewise undertake to prohibit, as far as lies within their power, all activity having the object of promoting directly or indirectly either the union of the Republic of Cyprus with any other State, or the partition of the Island.

[Viewpoint]

Filitsa now do you understand the danger that Kikapu is trying to sell the TCs?

I think, Viewpoint, that Kikapu genuinely and earnestly wants to make a BBF work for both sides, so no, I don't understand the danger to the TC's in his proposal. Perhaps I'm missing something, so please explain.

His plan which has been discussed to death literally, is a sell out to the GCs he not only wants us to reduce the north state to a size where GCs can easily over populate thus take control in both the lower and upper houses to get laws through to which the TCs could not refuse as their effective say would be erased.

There are no north and south states mate. You shouldn't have signed the 1959 treaty of guarantee if you wanted two states. Full stop.

ARTICLE 2

Greece the United Kingdom and Turkey, taking note of the undertakings by the Republic of Cyprus embodied in Article 1, recognize and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus, and also the provisions of the basic articles of its Constitution. They likewise undertake to prohibit, as far as lies within their power, all activity having the object of promoting directly or indirectly either the union of the Republic of Cyprus with any other State, or the partition of the Island.

What are the two leaders negotiating right now? try and keep up.

[Kikapu]

Filitsa now do you understand the danger that Kikapu is trying to sell the TCs?

I think, Viewpoint, that Kikapu genuinely and earnestly wants to make a BBF work for both sides, so no, I don't understand the danger to the TC's in his proposal. Perhaps I'm missing something, so please explain.

His plan which has been discussed to death literally, is a sell out to the GCs he not only wants us to reduce the north state to a size where GCs can easily over populate thus take control in both the lower and upper houses to get laws through to which the TCs could not refuse as their effective say would be erased.

You want to keep the north at 30+ %, which means that at the very least 100,000 GCs will be able to return to the north and allowed to exercise their Democratic rights to be able to vote under the EU Principles, which means that the GCs will most definitely be able to take away some of the upper house seats in the north for sure. While you are at it, why don't you ask for the whole 37% of the north and allow 180,000 GCs to return against 130,000 TCs and settlers combined, which will mean that the upper house seats will be all GCs, north and south states. Just exactly whose side are you really on, and you accuse me of having the GCs take away power from the TCs. The more land you keep, the more GCs will have the option to return back to their properties and also be able to vote in the north state. Very simple really!

[Viewpoint]

Filitsa now do you understand the danger that Kikapu is trying to sell the TCs?

I think, Viewpoint, that Kikapu genuinely and earnestly wants to make a BBF work for both sides, so no, I don't understand the danger to the TC's in his proposal. Perhaps I'm missing something, so please explain.

His plan which has been discussed to death literally, is a sell out to the GCs he not only wants us to reduce the north state to a size where GCs can easily over populate thus take control in both the lower and upper houses to get laws through to which the TCs could not refuse as their effective say would be erased.

You want to keep the north at 30+ %, which means that at the very least 100,000 GCs will be able to return to the north and allowed to exercise their Democratic rights to be able to vote under the EU Principles, which means that the GCs will most definitely be able to take away some of the upper house seats in the north for sure. While you are at it, why don't you ask for the whole 37% of the north and allow 180,000 GCs to return against 130,000 TCs and settlers combined, which will mean that the upper house seats will be all GCs, north and south states. Just exactly whose side are you really on, and you accuse me of having the GCs take away power from the TCs. The more land you keep, the more GCs will have the option to return back to their properties and also be able to vote in the north state. Very simple really!

Its has always been between 29% and 25% so dont make things up to suit your twisted mentality, isnt you who claims the GCs will not want to live under TC administration...I have also offered my version of the how the island wide voting system would guarantee representation from both states without the risk of GCs taking full power and erasing an TC effective say in their own future.

[kurupetos]

Filitsa now do you understand the danger that Kikapu is trying to sell the TCs?

I think, Viewpoint, that Kikapu genuinely and earnestly wants to make a BBF work for both sides, so no, I don't understand the danger to the TC's in his proposal. Perhaps I'm missing something, so please explain.

His plan which has been discussed to death literally, is a sell out to the GCs he not only wants us to reduce the north state to a size where GCs can easily over populate thus take control in both the lower and upper houses to get laws through to which the TCs could not refuse as their effective say would be erased.

There are no north and south states mate. You shouldn't have signed the 1959 treaty of guarantee if you wanted two states. Full stop.

ARTICLE 2

Greece the United Kingdom and Turkey, taking note of the undertakings by the Republic of Cyprus embodied in Article 1, recognize and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus, and also the provisions of the basic articles of its Constitution. They likewise undertake to prohibit, as far as lies within their power, all activity having the object of promoting directly or indirectly either the union of the Republic of Cyprus with any other State, or the partition of the Island.

What are the two leaders negotiating right now? try and keep up.

To negotiate is one thing and signing an agreement is another.

Only a referendum can decide the fulfilment of an agreement. Have you already forgotten 2004?

[Viewpoint]

You are correct on that point but with the island physically divided north and south we are most of the way there , all thats left is the paper work.

[Filitsa]

Anyway, above all, both sides need to employ the good will necessary to make a BBF work. No one has yet to answer my question. Does it exist, and is it pervasive enough?

Good will? Only MacGyver does mission impossible.

... And, my little cyber warror, he subscribed to non-violent conflict resolution, used his gun sparingly, employed the resources available, and got the job done. In other words, he didn't sit around with his thumb up his ass talking sh.it while categorically denying progress.

Perhaps this is fodder for a new thread or poll?

It’s more like starvation of common sense because the united states you’re referring to were not founded on segregated ethnicities obliged to “amalgamate” for the “important things”, so there is no parallel whatsoever!

Don't you have a flare for the obvious! Do yourself a favor and read before you comment; you're so invested in being a smart-ass that you become redundant. It's already been considered and isn't an inherent barrier.

It doesn’t take me long to figure out an idiot!

As if any part of the American constitution can ever be adopted... even in the slightest, to accommodate the racist undemocratic rubbish of the proposed BBF!

And what do you know about the "American" Constitution, pinhead? XO

Obviously more than you do as I’m well aware that that it’s impossible to utilize any section of it as a basis for the proposed BBF, and that the closest comparison we can make to the BBF is the colourful assortment of 19th century tribal arrangements in Africa!

Stop deflecting with your sophomoric pissing contest, and answer the question, or admit that you don't what the hell your talking about. Every BBF proposal I've read in this forum - and I'm guessing you've read the same - contains components of the U.S. Constitution, inadvertently or otherwise ... no mere coincidence, big guy.