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[B25]

We are Turkish in origin, are you aware of this?

thats the difference between us I AM A CYPRIOT when you feel that (i doubt)

come back again. thats the way out

Quattro I respect a lot of you write so answer me this, and it is a question which I feel needs to be answered.

What has the the Roc done/doing in the past or in the present to make the TCs feel like cypriots - aside what it is legally obligated to do as part of the Eu - ie health care, passports etc?

a question for a question what ROC done for me to feel cypriot ?
I have a passport too I am not allowed for health care i must pay .
I dont need ROC to feel cypriot DTA . why should i feel anything else i was born here I will die here . just thing of it

Tried to reply to your PM but for some reason the forum did not allow me to do so (it goes in to my outbox?????? but not sent to you), I will post it here if you give me permission to do so.

There is nothing wrong, just leave it there in the outbox and when he logs on next it will be sent to him.

PMs do not usually go immediately. Its just the way the system works.

Miaw!

[Viewpoint]

We are Turkish in origin, are you aware of this?

thats the difference between us I AM A CYPRIOT when you feel that (i doubt)

come back again. thats the way out

That we was killed in 1963.

[Viewpoint]

VP I suggest you read the paper and see exactly what your fascist leader has said. He has aligned himself openly and clearly with Turkey, to this end if you love Turkey so much FO to use your term. Actually Eroglu needs to FO to Turkey and the fascists that support him.

You claim that you have Turkish heritage, we have Greek heritage. No one is denying your Turkish heritage and no one is denying your religious beliefs. However a large portion of us identify as Cypriot you find the term Cypriot disgusting. Yur leader and representative has clearly said he is a Turk like them and wants to be treated like one. Well newsflash for you mate. We don't want illegal occupation or the occupiers so FO> People who respect Cyprus are proud of the fact and proud of the island they don't want to gift it either Greece or Turkey. We have a national identity of our own and that is CYPRIOT.

You have to understand that some of you have developed as "Cypriots" but not all eg Piratis (who still claims that Cyprus id Greek) while you were doing that we were aligning ourselves with ort Turkish roots and this will continue to develop as the population in the north increasing with new generation TCs. What alternative do we have the GC offer is a minority in a GC state, well you know what I think about that.

The south is not offering us anything we want or we could have what you offer today by moving south, the TRNC option with all its problems is still streets ahead, why cant you understand this?

[Filitsa]

What has the the Roc done/doing in the past or in the present to make the TCs feel like cypriots

(1) Why should the RoC be doing something to make TCs feel like "Cypriots"?

(2)And if the TCs are calling upon the RoC to take measures so that they will feel "Cypriot", does that tell us that they're not? So are you asking the RoC to try and manufacture something that isn't?

good questions

1) most tcs feel (and here i am not debating if this is true or not) that the Roc was responsible for the way that they were treated between 63-74 not just Eoka B (and there are facts to back this up like the Akritas plan etc - but like I said here I am not debating this)

2) The reason why I Like you GR is that you are cypriot unquestionably so and defend this as hard against greeks as you do Turkish or Turkish cypriots - and although you abuse TCs and Turkish which I don't like, the fact that you do the same to greeks make me feel that you are doing it out of a love for cyprus and there is a fairness to that.
However since 74 - the beginning of the end for enosis (in the most part anyway) Gcs, like yourself have had the opportunity to build on a cypriot identity but the TCs have been excluded from this and our sphere of influence on this ongoing evolution of an identity has also been excluded.

Also speaking to my Gc friends in london (and correct me if I am wrong) the Gc dialect has changed to conform more to the Greek mainland dialect, greek flags still fly in the south, anti Tc sentiment is rife with the rise of far right groups and Tcs rights are still not fully given in the ROC (property rights)

So this and the history of Tcs and Gcs has meant that TCs feel that the ROC does not feel they are Cypriot therefore it is hard for us to do so completely.

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What kind of convoluted admiration is this when one is expected to abuse both Greeks and Turks to prove his love for Cyprus? There's a fairness to this? Aman!

[ZoC]

What kind of convoluted admiration is this when one is expected to abuse both Greeks and Turks to prove his love for Cyprus? There's a fairness to this? Aman!

I agree. what about the british? and the yanks?

[Filitsa]

What kind of convoluted admiration is this when one is expected to abuse both Greeks and Turks to prove his love for Cyprus? There's a fairness to this? Aman!

I agree. what about the british? and the yanks?

Allow me to direct you to the "Identity" thread.

[Filitsa]

Simply put. No racial discrimination in either state. The administration of north state to be administered by the residents of the north state and not by an ethnic group.

Why do you think it involves TWO states if not to segregate ethnicities?

You then come up with gems like…“No racial discrimination in either state”!!!

You segregate the communities now......you allow the free movement of people so over time the segregation disappears leading to a united republic.

duh!

That’s based on your assumption that those in charge of these racist states would ever allow something like that to evolve!

You naïve fool!

(I was going to let this ride, but then ...) Well ain't that "the pot calling the kettle black." In case you haven't noticed - and I do feel compassion for those who just "can't see the forest from the trees - The status quo is sending you a message. All that's been accomplished by those who've been in charge of these "racist states" is the perpetuation of the status quo for a mere ... oh ... thirty-six years. Times a-wasting. Unite them in the most realistic way possible, and let the will of the people take over. Countries the world over are crying freedom and democracy. The time is ripe. Those who would be in charge can't possibly do any worse.

[DTA]

Maybe I did not explain (and I was a little drunk) what I meant to say is that I see a lot of gcs on here abusing only Turks and turkeys involvement but at least GR also abuses Greek contribution to this mess. And in my view there is a fairness to that.

[Filitsa]

Maybe I did not explain (and I was a little drunk) what I meant to say is that I see a lot of gcs on here abusing only Turks and turkeys involvement but at least GR also abuses Greek contribution to this mess. And in my view there is a fairness to that.

Although, I appreciate your explanation, he's no hero because he bashes both sides. Bashing appears to be his modus operandi, like no one else on this forum. Nothing constructive comes of it. Please, let's not agrandize it, thank you.

(Imbibing to excess is inexcusable. )

[humanist]

VP

You have to understand that some of you have developed as "Cypriots" but not all eg Piratis (who still claims that Cyprus id Greek) while you were doing that we were aligning ourselves with ort Turkish roots and this will continue to develop as the population in the north increasing with new generation TCs. What alternative do we have the GC offer is a minority in a GC state, well you know what I think about that.

The south is not offering us anything we want or we could have what you offer today by moving south, the TRNC option with all its problems is still streets ahead, why cant you understand this?

VP have a look at your post and see how hypocritical it is. On the one hand you recognised that the GC's have developed a strong sense of Cypriot identity. Whilst we do agree that we have a GC heritage.

The fact you are a minority cannot change that is simply a numbers game. We have 850 thousand people on the Island that are Cypriot who speak Greek and we have 45,000 people on the Island that speak Turkish and we have 20,000 people on the Island that speak Armenian. By nature of number you are a minority.

Furthermore, you are a minority now in the "trnc" because the settlers out number TC's 4:1. And you stand the chance of loosing that also because Turkish annexation means being swamped up into Turkey. This is a fact.

Hypocritical or totally unable to actually see it for what it is. Either way you loose. And you are taking the worse option because that will ensure your extinction faster than the other option. Anyway like I said in another thread AM OVER IT, that's your stuff that you need to figure out I want Freedom of my Country from both you and Turkey.

No matter how much of that cultural part of Cyprus I would like to see preserved if your community want to take it into the broader Turkish culture you are going to do it at your detriment.

As far as Piratis is concerned I don't think Piratis is saying Cypriots are Greek I think he recognises that on this Island there are different ethnic groups some smaller than others and some larger than others. Unless you line up half the Greek speaking population and shoot them like the Nazis have done with Jews you are always going to have less numbers than GC's. Regardless of that you have less numbers anyway, you have 250,00 settlers (Turks a huge majority) and you have 20,000 British who are not lagging behind you as the second largest minority group.