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Postby DT. » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:55 pm

Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
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DT. wrote:Simply put. No racial discrimination in either state. The administration of north state to be administered by the residents of the north state and not by an ethnic group.

Why do you think it involves TWO states if not to segregate ethnicities?

You then come up with gems like…“No racial discrimination in either state”!!!

:lol:


You segregate the communities now......you allow the free movement of people so over time the segregation disappears leading to a united republic.

duh! :roll:

That’s based on your assumption that those in charge of these racist states would ever allow something like that to evolve!

You naïve fool! :lol:


Lousy cretin! Read the title of this thread and try again....Manno Killintjire :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:59 pm

DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:Simply put. No racial discrimination in either state. The administration of north state to be administered by the residents of the north state and not by an ethnic group.

Why do you think it involves TWO states if not to segregate ethnicities?

You then come up with gems like…“No racial discrimination in either state”!!!

:lol:


You segregate the communities now......you allow the free movement of people so over time the segregation disappears leading to a united republic.

duh! :roll:

That’s based on your assumption that those in charge of these racist states would ever allow something like that to evolve!

You naïve fool! :lol:

Lousy cretin! Read the title of this thread and try again....Manno Killintjire :lol:

Then I guess it could’ve just as easily been called…

”Let your BBF naivety run wild!”

You peasant mythologist! :roll:
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Postby DT. » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:07 pm

Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:Simply put. No racial discrimination in either state. The administration of north state to be administered by the residents of the north state and not by an ethnic group.

Why do you think it involves TWO states if not to segregate ethnicities?

You then come up with gems like…“No racial discrimination in either state”!!!

:lol:


You segregate the communities now......you allow the free movement of people so over time the segregation disappears leading to a united republic.

duh! :roll:

That’s based on your assumption that those in charge of these racist states would ever allow something like that to evolve!

You naïve fool! :lol:

Lousy cretin! Read the title of this thread and try again....Manno Killintjire :lol:

Then I guess it could’ve just as easily been called…

”Let your BBF naivety run wild!”

You peasant mythologist! :roll:


Go quote something from a Skopjan website na sou perasi. Xwrkati :roll:
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Postby B25 » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:26 pm

DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:Simply put. No racial discrimination in either state. The administration of north state to be administered by the residents of the north state and not by an ethnic group.

Why do you think it involves TWO states if not to segregate ethnicities?

You then come up with gems like…“No racial discrimination in either state”!!!

:lol:


You segregate the communities now......you allow the free movement of people so over time the segregation disappears leading to a united republic.

duh! :roll:

That’s based on your assumption that those in charge of these racist states would ever allow something like that to evolve!

You naïve fool! :lol:

Lousy cretin! Read the title of this thread and try again....Manno Killintjire :lol:

Then I guess it could’ve just as easily been called…

”Let your BBF naivety run wild!”

You peasant mythologist! :roll:


Go quote something from a Skopjan website na sou perasi. Xwrkati :roll:


:lol: :lol: :lol:

I wonder do you guys wear vrakes ???? :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:45 pm

Ok DT, it’s my turn now!

My BBF naivety: 8)

http://files.myopera.com/Mathilda%C2%B4 ... erland.jpg

http://www.myfreewallpapers.net/cartoon ... dwarfs.jpg

Oh, it’s going to be wonderful I tell you! :D
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Postby Piratis » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:53 pm

BBF means a federation of two states with one state administered by TCs and the other by the rest of the Cypriots. Anything that meets the above criteria can be classified as BBF.

While, after being blackmailed, we agreed on BBF, this doesn't mean we will agree to whatever version of BBF the Turks want. It will either be a BBF that can be acceptable to the majority of the Cypriot population, or no BBF at all, which means Republic of Cyprus stays as it is, a unitary state with sovereignty rights over the whole island, the north part of which is illegally occupied by Turkish troops.

Here is a version of BBF that will be easily accepted by the majority of Cypriots:

The state administered by TCs to be no more than 12% of land and 12% of the coast line, with each state responsible for certain local administration issues, while all important issues to be handled by a democratically elected central government which will have supreme power over the local administrations and with the Federal law to take precedence over contrary state laws. The human and democratic rights of all Cypriots to be respected and the EU acquis fully implemented.
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Postby Filitsa » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:11 pm



Hi, Kikapu,

It's workable but with one concern: the functions of the Vice President. Your link states that the V.P. is merely a figurehead under the U.S. Constitution, but this is not so. He may have no standing executive power, but as President of the Sentate, he may wield some power. Consider the following:

Under the U.S. Constitution, legislation may be introduced in either Chamber. The President may veto legislation after it passes both Chambers. He must provide both Chambers with his objections in writing. The veto may be overriden by a two-thirds majority of the Lower Chamber. On the other hand, the V.P., who presides over the Upper Chamber (and there's a bit of power there, but that's beside my point), can vote but only to break a tie (and there's a bit of power here too) in the Upper Chamber, no questions asked, no provision for written explanation. This is where the V.P. of CY could wield some unchecked power that underscores the ethnic divide since both states send the same number of representatives to the Upper Chamber. The concept of equal representation to the Upper Chamber is effective in the U.S. where there are 50 states, but would not be so in CY where only 2 ethnically divided states are proposed, one more heavily populated than the other. In effect, under such circumstances in Cyprus, the V.P. could wield more power than the President, particularly if the legislation is introduced in the lower chamber.

In practice, when the V.P. is an ethnic Turk, s/he could shut down the majority in favor his/her minority. When s/he is an ethnic Greek, s/he could shut down the minority in favor his/her majority. When considering the principle of "majority rule, minority rights," what are the ramifications? The balance lies in a strong federal constitution that addresses this issue coupled with a fair-minded and prudent supreme judiciary, and I don't know that the American way of appointing the supreme judiciary would be the best way for CY for the same reasons listed above. As I'm sure you know, the process involves Presidential appointment with Upper Chamber confirmation. Again, the Vice President as President of the Upper Chamber has the power to break the tie. What works as a form of checks and balances in the U.S. may become a vicious circle in CY all because of the ethnic divide.
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Postby kurupetos » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:46 pm

Ethnic cleansing is the only viable solution. :wink:
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Postby Filitsa » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:05 pm

kurupetos wrote:Ethnic cleansing is the only viable solution. :wink:


Better yet, Kurupetos, how about a BBF composed of three states? One for "Turkish Cypriots," one for "Greek Cypriots," and one for "Cypriots." This way you won't have to "extricate" or "annihilate" anyone; it's all-inclusive! ... Aaaaand it will throw another state into the Upper Chamber mix thereby mitigating the the power of the V.P. as the President of the Upper Chamber. Hmmm? :D
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Postby Filitsa » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:12 pm

Sometimes I wonder if I'm unwittingly dialoguing with one of my relatives in Cyprus. :shock:
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