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[Get Real!]

Who do you think you are?

So for 36 years the TC community was collaborating with Turkey against the RoC and thus bringing about the current situation in the occupied territory of Cyprus, and now all of a sudden the TC community wakes up to the fact that doing so was not in their interests after all and they now want the RoC to help free the TC community from Turkey… but NOT to the point of the RoC taking over her rightful occupied territory herself!

If this is not the mentality of a spoilt, naïve, obscure and hopeless people I don’t know what is!

I must say, Erdogan was right about one thing!

“Who do you think you are?”

[bill cobbett]

Have been thinking (suspect many here have) what are all these "protests" aimed at, as Paphitis asked the other day, what are the motives for these Cys living under the Turkish Occupation? What's their end-game? To date unanswered questions.

Regretfully, 'til such time as proved otherwise, there are fundamental and major areas of disagreement cos must conclude it's about ... "We Have a Right To Exist", that's to say We Have a Right To Exist On Other People's Lands in our own exclusive Racist Northern Zone on our own terms for Recognition, allegedly independent of the motherland.... oh and we want an equal (50:50) share for our little state in the oil and gas revenues.

So should these protests get support from the Free Areas? Well if we look for areas of agreement there is very important common ground in calls for the TA to piss off and to take the Settlers with them.

Would however be more impressed if CYs in the Occupied Areas and those living in the Free Areas marched to occupy the Ghost City of Famagusta ... now that would be a real test of motives.

[eracles]

Everybody acts according to what they think is in their interests.
Surely it is not out of the ordinary that TCs may have put their trust in the Turks?
Rather than all this, "we told you so", we should be making GC attitude accommodating, sympathetic, without gloating at the troubles of the TCs.
The TCs are damned if they do, and damned if they don't, between a rock and a hard place, the devil and the deep blue sea. Let's make the GC attitude a welcoming one, in the time honoured Cypriot way. We have all acted in regrettable ways when we think we're acting in our own interests.

[ZoC]

Everybody acts according to what they think is in their interests.
Surely it is not out of the ordinary that TCs may have put their trust in the Turks?
Rather than all this, "we told you so", we should be making GC attitude accommodating, sympathetic, without gloating at the troubles of the TCs.
The TCs are damned if they do, and damned if they don't, between a rock and a hard place, the devil and the deep blue sea. Let's make the GC attitude a welcoming one, in the time honoured Cypriot way. We have all acted in regrettable ways when we think we're acting in our own interests.

no, they're damned if they're swallowed up by turkey. if they stand up for themselves and earn the right to be free cypriots, they'll be ok. the choice is between and a turkish rock and a soft place, the turkish devil and a shallow blue sea.

[eracles]

Yes we were manipulated, and we fell for it like fools. Yes they were manipulated and they fell for it like fools.

I do agree though, they are more damned if they are swallowed up by Turkey.

[BirKibrisli]

Everybody acts according to what they think is in their interests.
Surely it is not out of the ordinary that TCs may have put their trust in the Turks?
Rather than all this, "we told you so", we should be making GC attitude accommodating, sympathetic, without gloating at the troubles of the TCs.
The TCs are damned if they do, and damned if they don't, between a rock and a hard place, the devil and the deep blue sea. Let's make the GC attitude a welcoming one, in the time honoured Cypriot way. We have all acted in regrettable ways when we think we're acting in our own interests.

I appreciate the line you have taken,eracles,but it might be too little too late...You are spot on,the TCs were caught bewteen a ROCk and a Hard Place,and the game is up for them...The RoC has colluded with Turkey in the ethnic cleansing of the TCs,and there are now more real TC in the disapora than in Cyprus...

Those despicable fools who are gloating about the extinction of the TCs have a lot coming to them...Erdogan has given up all pretence that the trnc is independent from Turkey...He has declared to the world that Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus and he is going to run the trnc like a Turkish state...The bell is not tolling for the TCs any longer...Guess for whom they are tolling???

[Talisker]

Everybody acts according to what they think is in their interests.
Surely it is not out of the ordinary that TCs may have put their trust in the Turks?
Rather than all this, "we told you so", we should be making GC attitude accommodating, sympathetic, without gloating at the troubles of the TCs.
The TCs are damned if they do, and damned if they don't, between a rock and a hard place, the devil and the deep blue sea. Let's make the GC attitude a welcoming one, in the time honoured Cypriot way. We have all acted in regrettable ways when we think we're acting in our own interests.

I appreciate the line you have taken,eracles,but it might be too little too late...You are spot on,the TCs were caught bewteen a ROCk and a Hard Place,and the game is up for them...The RoC has colluded with Turkey in the ethnic cleansing of the TCs,and there are now more real TC in the disapora than in Cyprus...

Those despicable fools who are gloating about the extinction of the TCs have a lot coming to them...Erdogan has given up all pretence that the trnc is independent from Turkey...He has declared to the world that Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus and he is going to run the trnc like a Turkish state...The bell is not tolling for the TCs any longer...Guess for whom they are tolling???

Hah, the truth is coming out now.....the 'pretence that the trnc is independent from Turkey'......the BS that '74 was a 'peace operation', and not an invasion by Turkey intent on land acquisition with all the associated strategic benefits is slowly but surely becoming more and more exposed.

[Get Real!]

1. To ESTABLISH a state you need political legitimacy and/or power and influence.

2. To SUSTAIN that state you need a sound economy that stems from a competent workforce.

3. To HANG ONTO that state you need a decent military force and a system that does not rely on others.

So given the TC community has NONE of the above…

Just WHO do they think they are?

[boomerang]

no one is gloating...the roc was telling you all along it was an invasion...there was a civil war resisting the 74 coup...turkey all she had to was restore order not commit ethnic cleansing...this was the give away...the tcs were happy and not only happy the were gloating...

further more you the tcs were gloating, especially effendi telling everyone these anatolians were the new tcs...and how the tcs are going to assimilate the new tcs..

now that the going is just gotten tougher you wanna blame the gcs?...you had 37 years of taking turkey for a ride with all the billions she sunk in the occupied and nothing to show for...

at the end who blames erdog...suck it up...

end of the day the tcs are not and should not be trusted in anything to do with any government till they can prove to everyone they should be trusted...

just think for a minute if we had unification and this spat with the austerity measures happened?...what another peace operation turkish style?...no thanks...

and lets not forget the spat with turkey...only because the lining of the pockets is not going to be as much and nothing else...

thank god the tcs that work in the free areas ain't affected...

on a side note, donkeytosh was right about not wanting the gates open...with the gates opening and the standard of living rising in the occupied areas, turkey simply can't keep up...thank you donkeytosh...

[Talisker]

1. To ESTABLISH a state you need political legitimacy and/or power and influence.

2. To SUSTAIN that state you need a sound economy that stems from a competent workforce.

3. To HANG ONTO that state you need a decent military force and a system that does not rely on others.

So given the TC community has NONE of the above…

Just WHO do they think they are?

They've lost whatever identity they thought they had, cast aside for Turkish territorial and strategic gains. Perhaps it's just starting to sink in that as far as the Turks are concerned TC is an abbreviation for 'means to an end'.