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I had the idea that we where talking about EOKA B am i mistaken again

so take your emoticons and shove em .......

EOKA B was a fascist organisation and did not achieve much other than the current division of Cyprus. They used the good name of good fighters of EOKA to meet their union dream with Greece that a great number of Cypriots did not want.

My understanding is that Birks family had moved away from Cyprus well before 1974 therefore we were talking about EOKA.

As i know they left in 68-69 when TMT try to murder the whole family
so we were talking for EOKA B.

As for EOKA yes i agree with you . but also some members of it was members of EOKA B other orders then in 55 other in 59.

[Get Real!]

Birkibrisli, brother, do not frustrate yourself over these people. They are deeply addicted to the orgasmic pleasures of extreme mutual hatred. They are lost souls who will never find their way. Without someone to hate they are nobodies. Hating gives them a reason to live. As simple as that.

Well that explains your hatred for them!

You see people, there’s GOOD hatred (Bananiot’s) and there’s BAD hatred! (everyone else’s)

[Bananiot]

So you think members of EOKA were saints? Most of them became members of EOKA B' in the 70's. EOKA struggled to unite Cyprus with Greece. It was not a struggle for independence, let us be clear about this. Also, EOKA killed far more GC's and TC's than Brits.

EOKA gave a perfect excuse to TC nationalists to ask for taksim (partition) and in the wake of Makarios labouring to change the Constitution only three years after it was signed (not to make the state work better, as it is claimed by the far right, but to open the door for enosis) more and more TC's sought reassurance from Turkey and its military wing in Cyprus, TMT. The murdering of innocent TC's by the paramilitarists of Yiorgadjis, Sampson and Lissarides, did not help the situation either and in fact even the vast majority of the left-leaning TC's left PEO, greatly disillusioned too by the antics of AKEL that supported enosis even till late in the 60's. The paramilitarists army of the GC warlords, that were funded and armed by the RoC government, targetted innocent TC's, even sick people in hospitals. They did not directly confront the TMT but went on a murdering spree of ordinary TC's that presented easy targets.

The above actually happened in Cyprus, not very long ago and any compromise solution that we might reach, will reflect our recent history. Everything comes at a price, you see, this is how this world is run. I say this for those thinking that an ideal solution is possible.

[denizaksulu]

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I had the idea that we where talking about EOKA B am i mistaken again

so take your emoticons and shove em .......

EOKA B was a fascist organisation and did not achieve much other than the current division of Cyprus. They used the good name of good fighters of EOKA to meet their union dream with Greece that a great number of Cypriots did not want.

My understanding is that Birks family had moved away from Cyprus well before 1974 therefore we were talking about EOKA.

Yes, Bir talks of the period before 1960.

At the time many local TMT groups and leasers had no idea of the intentions of the movement. Originally or as far as the local groups were concerned TMTsole aim was the protection of the TCs in outlying areas and as a counterweight against EOKA whose aim was ENOSIS. Sometime later attitudes changed. The cry for ENOSIS had woken Britain up from the dangers of ENOSIS and the loss of the Brit bases(1950's) Up until then Turkey had no interest in Cyprus or its peoples. After all they did give up Cyprus after Lausanne. Upon Britains and the US Instigation they began calling for Partition to counter any GC claim of ENOSIS. Then the TMT were used to achieve this division of the Cypriot people. It was at this period that Birs father was 'forced' to leave the island. Many TCs resisited this policy. Our own home was firebombed twice by TMT, for the simple reason we carried on speaking to our GC neighbours (among them some GC cousins). This is the truth Hermes. Perhaps not to your liking but hey, we are here having a lovely chit chat.

All you need to do is to check publications related to the Cyprus problem not the brain-washing stuff you are fed in schools.

Hi Humanist I hope you are safe and sound down under.

[Get Real!]

How come somebody can accuse a 6-7 years old boy put you self in his shoes what would you do in that case hermes . or sins of the fathers torturer the childs .So the same can said about the descendants of Giorkatjis ..........sampson .......etc contemn them for the actions of their fathers.....

Where did you read that? Why don't you quote it?

I cannot understand this logic.. may be my IQ is extremely low

Now you're talking sense...

[Get Real!]

Synopsis:

Bir’s family was a protagonist TMT member; their house was the regional arms depot, their father the regional TMT commander/recruiter and the mother played her role in the cover up; the kids were used to hide the weapons etc.

Yet Bir comes on here today and asks EVERYONE ELSE to repent their CyProb sins!

The question I am asking YOU today Bir is…

ARE YOU READY TO REPENT YOURS AND THOSE OF YOUR FAMILY?

[Hermes]

Bir

The TMT initially was as much of a freedomfighting organisation for the TCs as the original EOKA was for the GCs...

My understanding is that EOKA was a freedom fighting organisation to FREE Cyprus from the British Colonisation. TMT was a freedom fighting organisation against GC's there is the difference.

Yes. Although "a freedom fighting organisation against GC's" is a very odd way of putting it. The TMT was founded by that well-known freedom fighter Rauf Denktash with Turkish military officers to agitate for partition. That was their sole stated aim: to undermine the unity and autonomy of the island through the use of terrorism, to sew division and to pave the way for Turkish intervention.

Already in 1955, Turkish Cypriots were ordered by their leaders to cut social and financial ties with their Greek Cypriot neighbours. Nine years later they were forced into enclaves all over the island – all with the aim to demonstrate that peaceful coexistence was impossible and that partition was the only solution.

This is still the cry of today's fascists. That is still the cry of many T/Cs today (including their leaders) who still whitewash the role of Turkey and the TMT who, in cahoots with foreign interests, worked to undermine the right of the Cypriot people to run their own affairs free of foreign and Turkish interference.

[boulio]

ACTUALLY HERMES cyprus first vp and every loving Dr.Kutchuk wanted partition or the return of cyprus to turkey as early as 1954:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus29817-30.html

so i guess g/c can claim that eoka was created not only for the liberation of cyprus but to also combat taksim

[SKI-preo]

Bananiot shove it up your *&&$ what about Kyrenia?

[BirKibrisli]

The TMT initially was as much of a freedomfighting organisation for the TCs as the original EOKA was for the GCs...

Dear God! An apologist for the role of the TMT in Cyprus! Now we know where you've been coming from all this time!

The main role of the TMT was not protecting the T/Cs as you claim but in promoting the partition of Cyprus. You seem unaware that the TMT was a pro-taksim paramilitary organisation formed by Rauf Denktash and Turkish military officers to bring partition.

You also seem unaware that TMT attacks on Greek Cypriot properties went back to the 1950s and that the Turkish state had sent Turkish officers and Special forces veterans in the guise of bankers, teachers and businessmen in order to train Turkish Cypriots in guerilla attacks on Greek Cypriots.

It's also well known that in 1963 the TMT was responsible for the creation of Turkish Cypriot enclaves throughout the island, into which it forced the majority of Turkish Cypriots in pursuit of its separatist agenda.

I always knew there was something deeply unpleasant about how far you would go in defending the 1974 invasion as a necessary and justified act of collective punishment against the Greek Cypriot population. But I had no idea of the extent of your own emotional investment in Turkey's prior interventionist crimes in Cyprus.

I find this an extraordinary personal confession to make on a public forum. Not for its honesty but for its self-deception and delusion. In defending a treacherous and extremist organisation such as the TMT as "freedom fighters" you nail your colours to the fascist mast.

Historians suggest the TMT were many things but they were not "freedom fighters". The TMT killed not just Greek Cypriots but also many Turkish Cypriots in pursuit of their goal of partition. The struggle to unify the island is a struggle against everything the TMT stood for: Turkish fascism, racism and expansionism.

At least we know where you stand in the historical struggle for freedom in Cyprus. It explains a lot.

You are right,Hermes...The term 'freedom fighters' is not enough to describe the TMT before 1960...I should have said 'life saving heros',because that was how they began their existance...You do not want to believe this because that would be admitting that your ancestors had bloody intentions towards their compatriots...You,like Piratis and a few others,prefer to keep your head firmly in GC state propaganda shit,repaeating parrot fashion their well rehearsed lines...I will take Banaiot's advice and not waste my time on you,yiou are a lost case...