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Restrictions is different from oppression. They just restrict the Turkish minority there so they will not get the power to do the crimes they did in Cyprus.

Constantinople, Thesaloniki and the major cities in the western coast of Asia Minor where Greek cities that were occupied by the Ottomans. So stop confusing Liberation with Expansionism.

This restriction/oppression and liberation/expansionism debates remind me on the ones e.g. on intervention/invasion, terrorists/freedom fighters. There is no objective reality in this, it's just a matter of perspective. It's better to keep to the essence than debate on terminology - except of course if you can explain me why there is a difference.

Regarding restriction/oppression, I already said that similar arguments are used from the other side too.

Constantinople, Thessaloniki, Western Thrace were places in which Greeks were a minority before greek troops arrived. Who founded the cities in a very distant past is irrelevant - otherwise Greece would have a similar claim on Marseilles or Kabul.
In Smyrna/Izmir Greeks were indeed a majority or at least plurality. However, the same didn't apply to the land surrounding it, and certainly not for the total area which the greek army tried to control. In general, Greeks were in Asia Minor a minority not larger than what the TCs are in
Cyprus.

IMHO is that ok Tcs are a minority, we are talking about numbers, why we have to do that lets look at them as CYPRIOTS a part of this country with equal rights, and stop hitting our heads on the wall if all the cypriots join together this country will prosper in no time . but instead of doing the right thing we are going rounds and rounds to find some one to blame . for something that happened 50 years ago .

ONLY CYPRIOTS CAN DECIDE FOR THERE FUTURE ANY OTHER HELP WE HAD UNTIL NOW FROM ANYBODY ("MOTHERLANDS" "FRIENDS") WAS ONLY TO ARCHIVE THE GOALS AND OUR DESTRUCTION AND ONLY .....

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Restrictions is different from oppression. They just restrict the Turkish minority there so they will not get the power to do the crimes they did in Cyprus.

Constantinople, Thesaloniki and the major cities in the western coast of Asia Minor where Greek cities that were occupied by the Ottomans. So stop confusing Liberation with Expansionism.

This restriction/oppression and liberation/expansionism debates remind me on the ones e.g. on intervention/invasion, terrorists/freedom fighters. There is no objective reality in this, it's just a matter of perspective. It's better to keep to the essence than debate on terminology - except of course if you can explain me why there is a difference.

Regarding restriction/oppression, I already said that similar arguments are used from the other side too.

Constantinople, Thessaloniki, Western Thrace were places in which Greeks were a minority before greek troops arrived. Who founded the cities in a very distant past is irrelevant - otherwise Greece would have a similar claim on Marseilles or Kabul.
In Smyrna/Izmir Greeks were indeed a majority or at least plurality. However, the same didn't apply to the land surrounding it, and certainly not for the total area which the greek army tried to control. In general, Greeks were in Asia Minor a minority not larger than what the TCs are in Cyprus.

I am not talking about the whole Asia Minor and everything that was part of the Byzantine Empire. I am talking specifically about the Western coast of Asia Minor, with cities founded by the Greeks, and where the Greeks where either still the majority, or they where the majority until very recently. (we are talking in terms of some years, not millenia like Marseilles or Kabul). The Ottoman empire was falling apart, and the Greeks had every right to want the western coast of Asia Minor as part of their state, instead of allowing it to become part of the Turkish state.

Or maybe you approve the policy of Ottomans/Turks, that they invade a place, bring their own settlers in while at the same time reduce/eliminate the native population, and that land becomes theirs?

If you want to accept that kind of logic, it is your problem. I don't.

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Restrictions is different from oppression. They just restrict the Turkish minority there so they will not get the power to do the crimes they did in Cyprus.

Constantinople, Thesaloniki and the major cities in the western coast of Asia Minor where Greek cities that were occupied by the Ottomans. So stop confusing Liberation with Expansionism.

This restriction/oppression and liberation/expansionism debates remind me on the ones e.g. on intervention/invasion, terrorists/freedom fighters. There is no objective reality in this, it's just a matter of perspective. It's better to keep to the essence than debate on terminology - except of course if you can explain me why there is a difference.

Regarding restriction/oppression, I already said that similar arguments are used from the other side too.

Constantinople, Thessaloniki, Western Thrace were places in which Greeks were a minority before greek troops arrived. Who founded the cities in a very distant past is irrelevant - otherwise Greece would have a similar claim on Marseilles or Kabul.
In Smyrna/Izmir Greeks were indeed a majority or at least plurality. However, the same didn't apply to the land surrounding it, and certainly not for the total area which the greek army tried to control. In general, Greeks were in Asia Minor a minority not larger than what the TCs are in
Cyprus.

IMHO is that ok Tcs are a minority, we are talking about numbers, why we have to do that lets look at them as CYPRIOTS a part of this country with equal rights, and stop hitting our heads on the wall if all the cypriots join together this country will prosper in no time . but instead of doing the right thing we are going rounds and rounds to find some one to blame . for something that happened 50 years ago .

ONLY CYPRIOTS CAN DECIDE FOR THERE FUTURE ANY OTHER HELP WE HAD UNTIL NOW FROM ANYBODY ("MOTHERLANDS" "FRIENDS") WAS ONLY TO ARCHIVE THE GOALS AND OUR DESTRUCTION AND ONLY .....

They Cypriots had decided for their future. What they decided was union with Greece. Foreigners used force and blackmail in order to remove from Cypriots the right to decide freely and democratically what they want for their own island.

You can't accept democracy and claim that Cypriots should decide for their own future only if the majority of Cypriots agrees with you. In a democracy you have to accept what the majority choose, even when you disagree. Otherwise there is no democracy and no freedom.

Individuals have a right to their human rights. Ethnic minorities have a right for their minority rights. Beyond those rights, everything else is decided democratically by majority rule, and everybody is obligated to respect this, either they agree with the majority or not.

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What rights do communities have if one wants to gift their country to another country against their will?

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What rights do communities have if one wants to gift their country to another country against their will?

obviously you are talking about your self cause you are the one who wants to gift CY to TR .

Its so hard for you to understand that Greece have nothing to do with Cypriots or Cyprus anymore .

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What rights do communities have if one wants to gift their country to another country against their will?

obviously you are talking about your self cause you are the one who wants to gift CY to TR .

Its so hard for you to understand that Greece have nothing to do with Cypriots or Cyprus anymore .

Unlike enosis taksim is about sharing not gifting the whole island to another country against the will of the other community. You have your own recognized country yet you still want more the whole island and all the power.

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What rights do communities have if one wants to gift their country to another country against their will?

obviously you are talking about your self cause you are the one who wants to gift CY to TR .

Its so hard for you to understand that Greece have nothing to do with Cypriots or Cyprus anymore .

Unlike enosis taksim is about sharing not gifting the whole island to another country against the will of the other community. You have your own recognized country yet you still want more the whole island and all the power.

unlike you who want to divide my country and especially stolen one
put it in you head if you have any space left from all the other grab you have inside CYPRUS MUST BE UNITED FOR THE CYPRIOTS and this is a red line for me .

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What rights do communities have if one wants to gift their country to another country against their will?

obviously you are talking about your self cause you are the one who wants to gift CY to TR .

Its so hard for you to understand that Greece have nothing to do with Cypriots or Cyprus anymore .

Unlike enosis taksim is about sharing not gifting the whole island to another country against the will of the other community. You have your own recognized country yet you still want more the whole island and all the power.

unlike you who want to divide my country and especially stolen one
put it in you head if you have any space left from all the other grab you have inside CYPRUS MUST BE UNITED FOR THE CYPRIOTS and this is a red line for me .

why dont you finish your post??? what u really mean is to allow you the upper hand and take full control over the whole island with us put in our place as just another minority, aint gonna happen, its BBFor nothing and its looks like nothing is what you are gonna get.

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What rights do communities have if one wants to gift their country to another country against their will?

obviously you are talking about your self cause you are the one who wants to gift CY to TR .

Its so hard for you to understand that Greece have nothing to do with Cypriots or Cyprus anymore .

Unlike enosis taksim is about sharing not gifting the whole island to another country against the will of the other community. You have your own recognized country yet you still want more the whole island and all the power.

unlike you who want to divide my country and especially stolen one
put it in you head if you have any space left from all the other grab you have inside CYPRUS MUST BE UNITED FOR THE CYPRIOTS and this is a red line for me .

why dont you finish your post??? what u really mean is to allow you the upper hand and take full control over the whole island with us put in our place as just another minority, aint gonna happen, its BBFor nothing and its looks like nothing is what you are gonna get.

No this is what you want to hear what i dident finish is that with the solution we the cypriots we must packed up all the rotten apples like you and export them .

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What rights do communities have if one wants to gift their country to another country against their will?

obviously you are talking about your self cause you are the one who wants to gift CY to TR .

Its so hard for you to understand that Greece have nothing to do with Cypriots or Cyprus anymore .

Unlike enosis taksim is about sharing not gifting the whole island to another country against the will of the other community. You have your own recognized country yet you still want more the whole island and all the power.

unlike you who want to divide my country and especially stolen one
put it in you head if you have any space left from all the other grab you have inside CYPRUS MUST BE UNITED FOR THE CYPRIOTS and this is a red line for me .

why dont you finish your post??? what u really mean is to allow you the upper hand and take full control over the whole island with us put in our place as just another minority, aint gonna happen, its BBFor nothing and its looks like nothing is what you are gonna get.

No this is what you want to hear what i dident finish is that with the solution we the cypriots we must packed up all the rotten apples like you and export them .

What you have to realize is that people like me are going nowhere, so deal with it, we do not want to ruled by GCs in GC state or we would move south tomorrow, its a BBF deal with political equality or nothing.