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[BirKibrisli]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

They are called Muslim which is what was agreed between Greece and Turkey with the 1923 treaty (because not all of them are Turkish).

Turkey has grossly violated that Treaty and Greeks in Turkey have almost been eliminated since then, and you expect from Greece to give even more than what the treaty required?

Also please note that what Bir claimed was that 120.000 TCs would become casualties in case Cyprus united with Greece. What I pointed out is that this was a gross exaggeration. Sure, maybe there would be a few problems but those problems would not be anything even remotely close to such gross exaggerations and any problems would also be less than the problems created to all Cypriots, including the TCs, as a result of TCs choosing conflict instead of respecting the democratic wishes of the majority of the population.

Furthermore, if Turkey didn't have have such an expansionist and aggressive policy against the Greeks, then Greece and Turkey would be on friendly terms by the 50s and especially by now, and the Greek population in Turkey and the Turkish population in Greece wouldn't have any problem whatsoever.

You have no idea how laughable your arguments are,Piratis...
You expect the TCs to 'respect the democratic wishes of the majority' at a time when armed terrorists belonging to that majority were going around killing men ,women and children,civilians and military alike,in the most undemocratic way...

It was a 'Peace' op yegen. Murder us then say RIPeace - I think at the bottom of a well.

Or let's walk out of Parliament due to the Makarios 3 point plan and then get the TMT to kill a few prominent TCs and blow up some mosques in order to get the TCs into enclaves. Violence was your end game was it not?

To start with there were 13 points...The TCs had no choice but abandon Parliament because their lives could not be guaranteed...At the time sick people (TCs) were disappearing from hospitals,killed and trown into wells...Bus loads of TCs were disappearing from the roads,killed and thrown into wells...Who are you kiidding with your revisionist shit????

[BirKibrisli]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

Was that proven false or not? Answer this and then I will reply to your last post

Well and truly proven false!

I know it and you know it, but does (s)he?

Technically you might be right,they might be allowed to call themselves Turkish amongst themselves,and behind close doors...But what is the use if the whole world sees them as Muslims living in Greece...???

And is it not true that they are not allowed to chose their religious leaders in any case? The Greek state appoints the Imams for them...Am I wrong???

Do the muslims in Turkey elect their own Muftis or are they appointed by the State?

The Turkish minority have their own Parliamentarians and even elected 250 councillors!

Out of order...I was asking alexiss whether the 'Muslims" in Greece could appoint their own religious leaders or not...

[Paphitis]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

Was that proven false or not? Answer this and then I will reply to your last post

Well and truly proven false!

I know it and you know it, but does (s)he?

Technically you might be right,they might be allowed to call themselves Turkish amongst themselves,and behind close doors...But what is the use if the whole world sees them as Muslims living in Greece...???

And is it not true that they are not allowed to chose their religious leaders in any case? The Greek state appoints the Imams for them...Am I wrong???

Do the muslims in Turkey elect their own Muftis or are they appointed by the State?

The Turkish minority have their own Parliamentarians and even elected 250 councillors!

Out of order...I was asking alexiss whether the 'Muslims" in Greece could appoint their own religious leaders or not...

Anbd I'm asaking you whether the Muslims in Turkey can elect their own Muftis!

[BirKibrisli]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

Was that proven false or not? Answer this and then I will reply to your last post

Well and truly proven false!

I know it and you know it, but does (s)he?

Technically you might be right,they might be allowed to call themselves Turkish amongst themselves,and behind close doors...But what is the use if the whole world sees them as Muslims living in Greece...???

And is it not true that they are not allowed to chose their religious leaders in any case? The Greek state appoints the Imams for them...Am I wrong???

Do the muslims in Turkey elect their own Muftis or are they appointed by the State?

The Turkish minority have their own Parliamentarians and even elected 250 councillors!

Out of order...I was asking alexiss whether the 'Muslims" in Greece could appoint their own religious leaders or not...

Anbd I'm asaking you whether the Muslims in Turkey can elect their own Muftis!

Two wrongs do not make one right...I am awaiting an answer from alexISS...

[Paphitis]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

They are called Muslim which is what was agreed between Greece and Turkey with the 1923 treaty (because not all of them are Turkish).

Turkey has grossly violated that Treaty and Greeks in Turkey have almost been eliminated since then, and you expect from Greece to give even more than what the treaty required?

Also please note that what Bir claimed was that 120.000 TCs would become casualties in case Cyprus united with Greece. What I pointed out is that this was a gross exaggeration. Sure, maybe there would be a few problems but those problems would not be anything even remotely close to such gross exaggerations and any problems would also be less than the problems created to all Cypriots, including the TCs, as a result of TCs choosing conflict instead of respecting the democratic wishes of the majority of the population.

Furthermore, if Turkey didn't have have such an expansionist and aggressive policy against the Greeks, then Greece and Turkey would be on friendly terms by the 50s and especially by now, and the Greek population in Turkey and the Turkish population in Greece wouldn't have any problem whatsoever.

You have no idea how laughable your arguments are,Piratis...
You expect the TCs to 'respect the democratic wishes of the majority' at a time when armed terrorists belonging to that majority were going around killing men ,women and children,civilians and military alike,in the most undemocratic way...

It was a 'Peace' op yegen. Murder us then say RIPeace - I think at the bottom of a well.

Or let's walk out of Parliament due to the Makarios 3 point plan and then get the TMT to kill a few prominent TCs and blow up some mosques in order to get the TCs into enclaves. Violence was your end game was it not?

To start with there were 13 points...The TCs had no choice but abandon Parliament because their lives could not be guaranteed...At the time sick people (TCs) were disappearing from hospitals,killed and trown into wells...Bus loads of TCs were disappearing from the roads,killed and thrown into wells...Who are you kiidding with your revisionist shit????

Misprint! It was a 13 point plan.

Did all these killings occur before or after the 13 point plan and who initiated the violence to begin with?

[Paphitis]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

Was that proven false or not? Answer this and then I will reply to your last post

Well and truly proven false!

I know it and you know it, but does (s)he?

Technically you might be right,they might be allowed to call themselves Turkish amongst themselves,and behind close doors...But what is the use if the whole world sees them as Muslims living in Greece...???

And is it not true that they are not allowed to chose their religious leaders in any case? The Greek state appoints the Imams for them...Am I wrong???

Do the muslims in Turkey elect their own Muftis or are they appointed by the State?

The Turkish minority have their own Parliamentarians and even elected 250 councillors!

Out of order...I was asking alexiss whether the 'Muslims" in Greece could appoint their own religious leaders or not...

Anbd I'm asaking you whether the Muslims in Turkey can elect their own Muftis!

Two wrongs do not make one right...I am awaiting an answer from alexISS...

Who said it was wrong!

If Turkey wants to be the Islamic Caliph, then it must surely show us the way!

What if an Al Qaeda sympathiser was elected? Then what?

[BirKibrisli]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

They are called Muslim which is what was agreed between Greece and Turkey with the 1923 treaty (because not all of them are Turkish).

Turkey has grossly violated that Treaty and Greeks in Turkey have almost been eliminated since then, and you expect from Greece to give even more than what the treaty required?

Also please note that what Bir claimed was that 120.000 TCs would become casualties in case Cyprus united with Greece. What I pointed out is that this was a gross exaggeration. Sure, maybe there would be a few problems but those problems would not be anything even remotely close to such gross exaggerations and any problems would also be less than the problems created to all Cypriots, including the TCs, as a result of TCs choosing conflict instead of respecting the democratic wishes of the majority of the population.

Furthermore, if Turkey didn't have have such an expansionist and aggressive policy against the Greeks, then Greece and Turkey would be on friendly terms by the 50s and especially by now, and the Greek population in Turkey and the Turkish population in Greece wouldn't have any problem whatsoever.

You have no idea how laughable your arguments are,Piratis...
You expect the TCs to 'respect the democratic wishes of the majority' at a time when armed terrorists belonging to that majority were going around killing men ,women and children,civilians and military alike,in the most undemocratic way...

It was a 'Peace' op yegen. Murder us then say RIPeace - I think at the bottom of a well.

Or let's walk out of Parliament due to the Makarios 3 point plan and then get the TMT to kill a few prominent TCs and blow up some mosques in order to get the TCs into enclaves. Violence was your end game was it not?

To start with there were 13 points...The TCs had no choice but abandon Parliament because their lives could not be guaranteed...At the time sick people (TCs) were disappearing from hospitals,killed and trown into wells...Bus loads of TCs were disappearing from the roads,killed and thrown into wells...Who are you kiidding with your revisionist shit????

Misprint! It was a 13 point plan.

Did all these killings occur before or after the 13 point plan and who initiated the violence to begin with?

The hospital killings happened after the 13 points were forced down TC throats,and at the same time as the TCs leaving the government...In December 63 the troubles started with the killing of a Turkish woman by GC police in Nicosia.following GC police opening fire and wounding students from Nicosia Turkish Lycee (the school I was to graduate from some years later!)...

[Paphitis]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

They are called Muslim which is what was agreed between Greece and Turkey with the 1923 treaty (because not all of them are Turkish).

Turkey has grossly violated that Treaty and Greeks in Turkey have almost been eliminated since then, and you expect from Greece to give even more than what the treaty required?

Also please note that what Bir claimed was that 120.000 TCs would become casualties in case Cyprus united with Greece. What I pointed out is that this was a gross exaggeration. Sure, maybe there would be a few problems but those problems would not be anything even remotely close to such gross exaggerations and any problems would also be less than the problems created to all Cypriots, including the TCs, as a result of TCs choosing conflict instead of respecting the democratic wishes of the majority of the population.

Furthermore, if Turkey didn't have have such an expansionist and aggressive policy against the Greeks, then Greece and Turkey would be on friendly terms by the 50s and especially by now, and the Greek population in Turkey and the Turkish population in Greece wouldn't have any problem whatsoever.

You have no idea how laughable your arguments are,Piratis...
You expect the TCs to 'respect the democratic wishes of the majority' at a time when armed terrorists belonging to that majority were going around killing men ,women and children,civilians and military alike,in the most undemocratic way...

It was a 'Peace' op yegen. Murder us then say RIPeace - I think at the bottom of a well.

Or let's walk out of Parliament due to the Makarios 3 point plan and then get the TMT to kill a few prominent TCs and blow up some mosques in order to get the TCs into enclaves. Violence was your end game was it not?

To start with there were 13 points...The TCs had no choice but abandon Parliament because their lives could not be guaranteed...At the time sick people (TCs) were disappearing from hospitals,killed and trown into wells...Bus loads of TCs were disappearing from the roads,killed and thrown into wells...Who are you kiidding with your revisionist shit????

Misprint! It was a 13 point plan.

Did all these killings occur before or after the 13 point plan and who initiated the violence to begin with?

The hospital killings happened after the 13 points were forced down TC throats,and at the same time as the TCs leaving the government...In December 63 the troubles started with the killing of a Turkish woman by GC police in Nicosia.following GC police opening fire and wounding students from Nicosia Turkish Lycee (the school I was to graduate from some years later!)...

Thank you! I rest my case! (the end game was violence and partition!)

Now, when did the TMT bomb the Turkish Embassy and when did they start to bomb TC mosques and execute Leftist TCs?

And how many hospital killing were there?

[alexISS]

Muftis are appointed by the governments of both Greece and Turkey, because a Mufti is not just a religious leader, he performs judicial functions as well.

Imagine people choosing their own local "judge"

[alexISS]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

Was that proven false or not? Answer this and then I will reply to your last post

Well and truly proven false!

I know it and you know it, but does (s)he?

according to a greek website but even then with cleveats

That's the official website of the Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs!