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[denizaksulu]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

They are called Muslim which is what was agreed between Greece and Turkey with the 1923 treaty (because not all of them are Turkish).

Turkey has grossly violated that Treaty and Greeks in Turkey have almost been eliminated since then, and you expect from Greece to give even more than what the treaty required?

Also please note that what Bir claimed was that 120.000 TCs would become casualties in case Cyprus united with Greece. What I pointed out is that this was a gross exaggeration. Sure, maybe there would be a few problems but those problems would not be anything even remotely close to such gross exaggerations and any problems would also be less than the problems created to all Cypriots, including the TCs, as a result of TCs choosing conflict instead of respecting the democratic wishes of the majority of the population.

Furthermore, if Turkey didn't have have such an expansionist and aggressive policy against the Greeks, then Greece and Turkey would be on friendly terms by the 50s and especially by now, and the Greek population in Turkey and the Turkish population in Greece wouldn't have any problem whatsoever.

You have no idea how laughable your arguments are,Piratis...
You expect the TCs to 'respect the democratic wishes of the majority' at a time when armed terrorists belonging to that majority were going around killing men ,women and children,civilians and military alike,in the most undemocratic way...

It was a 'Peace' op yegen. Murder us then say RIPeace - I think at the bottom of a well.

[Piratis]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

They are called Muslim which is what was agreed between Greece and Turkey with the 1923 treaty (because not all of them are Turkish).

Turkey has grossly violated that Treaty and Greeks in Turkey have almost been eliminated since then, and you expect from Greece to give even more than what the treaty required?

Also please note that what Bir claimed was that 120.000 TCs would become casualties in case Cyprus united with Greece. What I pointed out is that this was a gross exaggeration. Sure, maybe there would be a few problems but those problems would not be anything even remotely close to such gross exaggerations and any problems would also be less than the problems created to all Cypriots, including the TCs, as a result of TCs choosing conflict instead of respecting the democratic wishes of the majority of the population.

Furthermore, if Turkey didn't have have such an expansionist and aggressive policy against the Greeks, then Greece and Turkey would be on friendly terms by the 50s and especially by now, and the Greek population in Turkey and the Turkish population in Greece wouldn't have any problem whatsoever.

You have no idea how laughable your arguments are,Piratis...
You expect the TCs to 'respect the democratic wishes of the majority' at a time when armed terrorists belonging to that majority were going around killing men ,women and children,civilians and military alike,in the most undemocratic way...

No, I expected you to respect the democratic wishes of the majority long before that, so that an armed struggle would not be necessary.

Terrorists are those who invaded and occupied our lands, and killed women, children and anybody who disputed their authority over our island. When the native people of a territory fight against foreign occupiers this is called a revolution. So get your terms right.

[BirKibrisli]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

Was that proven false or not? Answer this and then I will reply to your last post

Well and truly proven false!

I know it and you know it, but does (s)he?

Technically you might be right,they might be allowed to call themselves Turkish amongst themselves,and behind close doors...But what is the use if the whole world sees them as Muslims living in Greece...???

And is it not true that they are not allowed to chose their religious leaders in any case? The Greek state appoints the Imams for them...Am I wrong???

[Paphitis]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

They are called Muslim which is what was agreed between Greece and Turkey with the 1923 treaty (because not all of them are Turkish).

Turkey has grossly violated that Treaty and Greeks in Turkey have almost been eliminated since then, and you expect from Greece to give even more than what the treaty required?

Also please note that what Bir claimed was that 120.000 TCs would become casualties in case Cyprus united with Greece. What I pointed out is that this was a gross exaggeration. Sure, maybe there would be a few problems but those problems would not be anything even remotely close to such gross exaggerations and any problems would also be less than the problems created to all Cypriots, including the TCs, as a result of TCs choosing conflict instead of respecting the democratic wishes of the majority of the population.

Furthermore, if Turkey didn't have have such an expansionist and aggressive policy against the Greeks, then Greece and Turkey would be on friendly terms by the 50s and especially by now, and the Greek population in Turkey and the Turkish population in Greece wouldn't have any problem whatsoever.

You have no idea how laughable your arguments are,Piratis...
You expect the TCs to 'respect the democratic wishes of the majority' at a time when armed terrorists belonging to that majority were going around killing men ,women and children,civilians and military alike,in the most undemocratic way...

It was a 'Peace' op yegen. Murder us then say RIPeace - I think at the bottom of a well.

Or let's walk out of Parliament due to the Makarios 3 point plan and then get the TMT to kill a few prominent TCs and blow up some mosques in order to get the TCs into enclaves. Violence was your end game was it not?

[BirKibrisli]

The Cretan Turkish 35% minority in Crete that is, who today are 0% they were killed in mass, forced in to enclaves attacked on an almost nightly basis. There was a plan for their extermination as well.
Do you think the eoka bastards who ATtacked tcs learned lessons from them? Crete is the template of what would have happened to the tcs if we didn't fight back- but we did and we are still here unlike (unfortunately) the Cretan Turkish population. But you fascist don't like that do you?

It is the TCs who collaborated with the Colonialists and attacked EOKA and the GCs. You are the ones who started the conflict and demanded our extermination from half of our island since the 50s. We only responded to your aggression, and this is a historical fact.

What happened to the Turks in Crete is what happened to far more Greeks in Asia Minor. Don't try to play the innocent victim when the Turks are the ones responsible for genocides of millions.

DTA,
Piratis is a robot...He is not human...He is programmed to come out with pre determined answers to all posts...His intelligence is artificial,he is not capable of emotions...He will never consider anything you say,or let any doubt seep into his computer head...According to his programmers,the GCs were always right,TCs always wrong. The GCs did everything with the best of intentions,the TCs the worst..The GCs suffered the most and for longest,so the bot can dismiss the TC pain and suffering..Sometimes I wonder why we even bother to reply to him...We must be massachists!

A serious Piratis Malfunction. That is serious.

Do you have any spare ribs/oops spare chips/cpu's for him yegen?

No amount of spare ribs or chips will fix Piratis...for the sake of our country Piratis and his thinkalikes need to be switched off permanently...Will someone please pull his plug out,and burn the whole contraption to make sure noone will ever manage to make IT function again....

A brain transplant wouldn't be enough to fix you yegen!

If I was your yegen I would kill myself...

[Paphitis]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

Was that proven false or not? Answer this and then I will reply to your last post

Well and truly proven false!

I know it and you know it, but does (s)he?

Technically you might be right,they might be allowed to call themselves Turkish amongst themselves,and behind close doors...But what is the use if the whole world sees them as Muslims living in Greece...???

And is it not true that they are not allowed to chose their religious leaders in any case? The Greek state appoints the Imams for them...Am I wrong???

Do the muslims in Turkey elect their own Muftis or are they appointed by the State?

The Turkish minority have their own Parliamentarians and even elected 250 councillors!

[BirKibrisli]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

They are called Muslim which is what was agreed between Greece and Turkey with the 1923 treaty (because not all of them are Turkish).

Turkey has grossly violated that Treaty and Greeks in Turkey have almost been eliminated since then, and you expect from Greece to give even more than what the treaty required?

Also please note that what Bir claimed was that 120.000 TCs would become casualties in case Cyprus united with Greece. What I pointed out is that this was a gross exaggeration. Sure, maybe there would be a few problems but those problems would not be anything even remotely close to such gross exaggerations and any problems would also be less than the problems created to all Cypriots, including the TCs, as a result of TCs choosing conflict instead of respecting the democratic wishes of the majority of the population.

Furthermore, if Turkey didn't have have such an expansionist and aggressive policy against the Greeks, then Greece and Turkey would be on friendly terms by the 50s and especially by now, and the Greek population in Turkey and the Turkish population in Greece wouldn't have any problem whatsoever.

You have no idea how laughable your arguments are,Piratis...
You expect the TCs to 'respect the democratic wishes of the majority' at a time when armed terrorists belonging to that majority were going around killing men ,women and children,civilians and military alike,in the most undemocratic way...

It was a 'Peace' op yegen. Murder us then say RIPeace - I think at the bottom of a well.

Yeah...They must've given Turkey the idea for her 'peace' operation some years later...

[Paphitis]

The Cretan Turkish 35% minority in Crete that is, who today are 0% they were killed in mass, forced in to enclaves attacked on an almost nightly basis. There was a plan for their extermination as well.
Do you think the eoka bastards who ATtacked tcs learned lessons from them? Crete is the template of what would have happened to the tcs if we didn't fight back- but we did and we are still here unlike (unfortunately) the Cretan Turkish population. But you fascist don't like that do you?

It is the TCs who collaborated with the Colonialists and attacked EOKA and the GCs. You are the ones who started the conflict and demanded our extermination from half of our island since the 50s. We only responded to your aggression, and this is a historical fact.

What happened to the Turks in Crete is what happened to far more Greeks in Asia Minor. Don't try to play the innocent victim when the Turks are the ones responsible for genocides of millions.

DTA,
Piratis is a robot...He is not human...He is programmed to come out with pre determined answers to all posts...His intelligence is artificial,he is not capable of emotions...He will never consider anything you say,or let any doubt seep into his computer head...According to his programmers,the GCs were always right,TCs always wrong. The GCs did everything with the best of intentions,the TCs the worst..The GCs suffered the most and for longest,so the bot can dismiss the TC pain and suffering..Sometimes I wonder why we even bother to reply to him...We must be massachists!

A serious Piratis Malfunction. That is serious.

Do you have any spare ribs/oops spare chips/cpu's for him yegen?

No amount of spare ribs or chips will fix Piratis...for the sake of our country Piratis and his thinkalikes need to be switched off permanently...Will someone please pull his plug out,and burn the whole contraption to make sure noone will ever manage to make IT function again....

A brain transplant wouldn't be enough to fix you yegen!

If I was your yegen I would kill myself...

Don't make a mess yegen!

[BirKibrisli]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

They are called Muslim which is what was agreed between Greece and Turkey with the 1923 treaty (because not all of them are Turkish).

Turkey has grossly violated that Treaty and Greeks in Turkey have almost been eliminated since then, and you expect from Greece to give even more than what the treaty required?

Also please note that what Bir claimed was that 120.000 TCs would become casualties in case Cyprus united with Greece. What I pointed out is that this was a gross exaggeration. Sure, maybe there would be a few problems but those problems would not be anything even remotely close to such gross exaggerations and any problems would also be less than the problems created to all Cypriots, including the TCs, as a result of TCs choosing conflict instead of respecting the democratic wishes of the majority of the population.

Furthermore, if Turkey didn't have have such an expansionist and aggressive policy against the Greeks, then Greece and Turkey would be on friendly terms by the 50s and especially by now, and the Greek population in Turkey and the Turkish population in Greece wouldn't have any problem whatsoever.

You have no idea how laughable your arguments are,Piratis...
You expect the TCs to 'respect the democratic wishes of the majority' at a time when armed terrorists belonging to that majority were going around killing men ,women and children,civilians and military alike,in the most undemocratic way...

No, I expected you to respect the democratic wishes of the majority long before that, so that an armed struggle would not be necessary.

Terrorists are those who invaded and occupied our lands, and killed women, children and anybody who disputed their authority over our island. When the native people of a territory fight against foreign occupiers this is called a revolution. So get your terms right.

Yeah yeah...Someone's freedom fighter is another one's terrorist,dear Piratis...It is all very subjective...Nobody was talking about democracy and human rights at the time...You were crying for Enosis with Greece,and we were countering that with cries of Taksim...How and where do you expect democracy to come into it????

[Paphitis]

One example, not allowed to call themselves Turkish?

They are called Muslim which is what was agreed between Greece and Turkey with the 1923 treaty (because not all of them are Turkish).

Turkey has grossly violated that Treaty and Greeks in Turkey have almost been eliminated since then, and you expect from Greece to give even more than what the treaty required?

Also please note that what Bir claimed was that 120.000 TCs would become casualties in case Cyprus united with Greece. What I pointed out is that this was a gross exaggeration. Sure, maybe there would be a few problems but those problems would not be anything even remotely close to such gross exaggerations and any problems would also be less than the problems created to all Cypriots, including the TCs, as a result of TCs choosing conflict instead of respecting the democratic wishes of the majority of the population.

Furthermore, if Turkey didn't have have such an expansionist and aggressive policy against the Greeks, then Greece and Turkey would be on friendly terms by the 50s and especially by now, and the Greek population in Turkey and the Turkish population in Greece wouldn't have any problem whatsoever.

You have no idea how laughable your arguments are,Piratis...
You expect the TCs to 'respect the democratic wishes of the majority' at a time when armed terrorists belonging to that majority were going around killing men ,women and children,civilians and military alike,in the most undemocratic way...

No, I expected you to respect the democratic wishes of the majority long before that, so that an armed struggle would not be necessary.

Terrorists are those who invaded and occupied our lands, and killed women, children and anybody who disputed their authority over our island. When the native people of a territory fight against foreign occupiers this is called a revolution. So get your terms right.

Yeah yeah...Someone's freedom fighter is another one's terrorist,dear Piratis...It is all very subjective...Nobody was talking about democracy and human rights at the time...You were crying for Enosis with Greece,and we were countering that with cries of Taksim...How and where do you expect democracy to come into it????

If 80% wanted ENOSIS and achieved it, then what could be more democratic than that?