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[denizaksulu]

A quick delve into my phone book put me on the right course. Palestinian physicist came up with the answer = 'Yunaniyye' = Helenic Greeks/Classical Greeks etc.

[ZoC]

Why do you think it is the British and the Turks who claim that the native Cypriots are not Greek? Because isolating Cyprus from the rest of Greeks makes it even easier for them to continue to oppress and abuse our island, just as they did for centuries, before such lame excuses were invented.

The Turks do not claim that the native Cypriots are not Greeks...They always refer to Greek Cypriots as RUMs which,in Turkish, means Greek Cypriot...
It is the native Cypriots themselves,like GR!,who claim they are not Greek...

i think u'll find - if u took the trouble to engage ur brain before pressing 'submit' - that RUM means 'roman'.

Correction:
Eastern Romans which particularly means the Greek speaking Romans = Greeks.

really? so wot's the turkish for latin speaking romans? GRUMS?

All I can say is perhaps those 'barbaric hordes' had not yet come accross the 'Ellens' or Helenic culture. The Arabs had ofcourse done that; as they did translate and preserve lots of the classics for posterity. One needs to find out what the Arabs called them . Certainly not 'Rum'.
I must admit that is an interesting question. I must delve.............

so I was right then, RUM = roman, not greek.

[BirKibrisli]

Why do you think it is the British and the Turks who claim that the native Cypriots are not Greek? Because isolating Cyprus from the rest of Greeks makes it even easier for them to continue to oppress and abuse our island, just as they did for centuries, before such lame excuses were invented.

The Turks do not claim that the native Cypriots are not Greeks...They always refer to Greek Cypriots as RUMs which,in Turkish, means Greek Cypriot...
It is the native Cypriots themselves,like GR!,who claim they are not Greek...

i think u'll find - if u took the trouble to engage ur brain before pressing 'submit' - that RUM means 'roman'.

Correction:
Eastern Romans which particularly means the Greek speaking Romans = Greeks.

really? so wot's the turkish for latin speaking romans? GRUMS?

All I can say is perhaps those 'barbaric hordes' had not yet come accross the 'Ellens' or Helenic culture. The Arabs had ofcourse done that; as they did translate and preserve lots of the classics for posterity. One needs to find out what the Arabs called them . Certainly not 'Rum'.
I must admit that is an interesting question. I must delve.............

so I was right then, RUM = roman, not greek.

You are wrong...Turks and TCs use the word Rum to mean Greek Cypriots...I don't care what your dictionary say about the literal meaning of Rum...Turks and TCs use it exclusively to mean GCs...

Even a simpleton like you must be familiar with the term "Rum yonetimi" ,always meaning 'Greek Cypriots administration'...

[BirKibrisli]

Why do you think it is the British and the Turks who claim that the native Cypriots are not Greek? Because isolating Cyprus from the rest of Greeks makes it even easier for them to continue to oppress and abuse our island, just as they did for centuries, before such lame excuses were invented.

The Turks do not claim that the native Cypriots are not Greeks...They always refer to Greek Cypriots as RUMs which,in Turkish, means Greek Cypriot...
It is the native Cypriots themselves,like GR!,who claim they are not Greek...

Is this your attempt of "divide and rule"?

I have no problem at all with Cypriots defining themselves in any way they want. What I have a problem with is with foreigners telling us what we are and where we should belong.

If you and the Imperialists had agreed from the 50s that the Cypriot people should be free to decide what they want in a peaceful and democratic way, then Cyprus would be truly decolonized and there would be no conflicts and casualties.

Unfortunately the Imperialists didn't want to let Cyprus free, and you helped them to continue oppressing our freedoms and our rights.

Cut the crap,Piratis...There was nothing peaceful and democratic about the way you went about decolonisation...And if you had managed to bring Enosis about there would've been 120,000 casualties,and enough conflicts to last you a lifetime...

[kurupetos]

ALL WRONG!

Cypriots are Hellenes. Not Greeks.

[denizaksulu]

Why do you think it is the British and the Turks who claim that the native Cypriots are not Greek? Because isolating Cyprus from the rest of Greeks makes it even easier for them to continue to oppress and abuse our island, just as they did for centuries, before such lame excuses were invented.

The Turks do not claim that the native Cypriots are not Greeks...They always refer to Greek Cypriots as RUMs which,in Turkish, means Greek Cypriot...
It is the native Cypriots themselves,like GR!,who claim they are not Greek...

i think u'll find - if u took the trouble to engage ur brain before pressing 'submit' - that RUM means 'roman'.

Correction:
Eastern Romans which particularly means the Greek speaking Romans = Greeks.

really? so wot's the turkish for latin speaking romans? GRUMS?

All I can say is perhaps those 'barbaric hordes' had not yet come accross the 'Ellens' or Helenic culture. The Arabs had ofcourse done that; as they did translate and preserve lots of the classics for posterity. One needs to find out what the Arabs called them . Certainly not 'Rum'.
I must admit that is an interesting question. I must delve.............

so I was right then, RUM = roman, not greek.

NO. The population of the Eastern Roamn Empire were called collectively 'Rum'. These were the peoples they first came accross and not those of the Western Empire. The Greeks of Rum (Anatolia) were also called the Bizanslılar/the Byzantines. Those from the 'todays Greek mainland ' were 'Yunanlilar/ Yunaniyye' if you like.

Even my mentor Mevlana Cleleddin from Merv was called Rumi. Not because he was Roman, but because he lived in Anatolia. Then he became known as Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi. Enuf said on this matter. You may have the last word, but.....

[denizaksulu]

ZoC;

I am yet to find out what the Latin speakers were called.

[denizaksulu]

Why do you think it is the British and the Turks who claim that the native Cypriots are not Greek? Because isolating Cyprus from the rest of Greeks makes it even easier for them to continue to oppress and abuse our island, just as they did for centuries, before such lame excuses were invented.

The Turks do not claim that the native Cypriots are not Greeks...They always refer to Greek Cypriots as RUMs which,in Turkish, means Greek Cypriot...
It is the native Cypriots themselves,like GR!,who claim they are not Greek...

i think u'll find - if u took the trouble to engage ur brain before pressing 'submit' - that RUM means 'roman'.

Correction:
Eastern Romans which particularly means the Greek speaking Romans = Greeks.

really? so wot's the turkish for latin speaking romans? GRUMS?

I dare say that the nomadic Turks were not aware of any Latin speaking Romans. The first contact was with Armenians and Byzantines. Afterwards (post 1071) they all became 'Freng or Frengi' a word to describe all infidels.
You will be delighted to know that a very serious VD contagion was also called 'Frengi' (Syphilis). Apparently Europeans of the day were good cultivators of this disease;

[Piratis]

Why do you think it is the British and the Turks who claim that the native Cypriots are not Greek? Because isolating Cyprus from the rest of Greeks makes it even easier for them to continue to oppress and abuse our island, just as they did for centuries, before such lame excuses were invented.

The Turks do not claim that the native Cypriots are not Greeks...They always refer to Greek Cypriots as RUMs which,in Turkish, means Greek Cypriot...
It is the native Cypriots themselves,like GR!,who claim they are not Greek...

Is this your attempt of "divide and rule"?

I have no problem at all with Cypriots defining themselves in any way they want. What I have a problem with is with foreigners telling us what we are and where we should belong.

If you and the Imperialists had agreed from the 50s that the Cypriot people should be free to decide what they want in a peaceful and democratic way, then Cyprus would be truly decolonized and there would be no conflicts and casualties.

Unfortunately the Imperialists didn't want to let Cyprus free, and you helped them to continue oppressing our freedoms and our rights.

Cut the crap,Piratis...There was nothing peaceful and democratic about the way you went about decolonisation...And if you had managed to bring Enosis about there would've been 120,000 casualties,and enough conflicts to last you a lifetime...

You cut the crap Bir. An armed struggle was our last resort after being denied for many decades the right to peacefully and democratically decide the destiny of our own island.

And your theory about "120,000 casualties" in case of enosis is totally baseless. After the population exchange of 1923 between Greece and Turkey, the Muslim/Turkish population of Greece not only did not become casualties, but on the contrary their number increased (unlike the Greeks in Turkey who have since then been reduce to a tiny number)

GCs and TCs lived peacefully with each other until you turned against us in the 50s. If you did not turn against us, and you respected the democratic choices of the Cypriot people, then we would continue to live in peace together, there would be no conflict, no casualties, and there would be far more TCs in Cyprus than they are today.

[DTA]

How are the 35% turkish Minority it Crete doing Piratis