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[Piratis]

I remember when Turkey was threatening us when we wanted to unite with EU as well. Who the hell do you think you are to impose your will on our island without any kind of respect to what Cypriots democratically choose for it?

We can unite with Greece, with EU or with China. It is none of Turkey's business what we do with our island.

[EPSILON]

Greece planted the deadly seed of enosis
Greece Sent thousands of troops to Cyprus pre 74
Greece reputably trained and funded eoka b
Greece invaded Cyprus in 74

So yeah Greece has had more to do with this mess than anyone.

If Greece was doing what you are stating here, then Turks would be in Mongolia by now.

Greece did nothing about Cyprus (exempt some stupid actions of a Junta regime) and this is the real problem . Having 85 per cent of population being Greeks in all respects Greece just left Turkey to obtain authority in the Island , at the time this could be very easily (just one sub marine) to be the other way.

Greek politicians in mainland Greece-these after Junta- should be -all- in jail ,just as : trators-.Including some famous G/cs politicians-This just because a Junta regime's actions can be considered as such, but a "dimocratic "elected leaders , behaving and acting as they did ,are just trators of people and they must be attended and trEated as such-ALL OF THEM INCLUDING TODAY'S LEADEARSHIP IN CYPRUS.

[DTA]

Yawn, Turks will be back in Mongolia??? Hahahahaha

Greece has never won a war in her history constantly getting others to fight your battles, even the so called Greek war of independence was backed by the other powers. Loser

[Sotos]

Yawn, Turks will be back in Mongolia??? Hahahahaha

Greece has never won a war in her history constantly getting others to fight your battles, even the so called Greek war of independence was backed by the other powers. Loser

But Turks are really good in wars. Now I think about it they are good ONLY in wars. Multiplying like rabbits and then attacking others and destroying everything. You shouldn't go back to Mongolia .. you should have stayed there and never come anywhere near us. Imagine how nice Cyprus would be if we didn't had the bad luck of being invaded by Turks!

[EPSILON]

Yawn, Turks will be back in Mongolia??? Hahahahaha

Greece has never won a war in her history constantly getting others to fight your battles, even the so called Greek war of independence was backed by the other powers. Loser

Your problem and , at least Turks, problem is that-despite your efforts for more than 600 years -you just remain Monglos.Even a great leader like Attaturk was not able to change this even he forced you (afrer his mind treatement in Salonica) to be dressed lie Europeans.
Now your new "famous" leadership is just guiding you how-in few yeas- fimd again your routes- deep-deepest Mongolia .

We are just waiting - this time there is no need even to send a Greek soldier. (You know - this allient who is always coming in your dreams as a nightmare).

[DTA]

Eplison is the term Greek solider not an oxymoron?

[Afroasiatis]

The Egyptians are 60 million people, not half a million like us. And there were no major differences in the population to divide them. If there were, then they would have tried it so they could keep Suez.

You say that to create a single nationalism was "very difficult". I say that given the linguistic/religious differences, history and incentives given to TCs to stay separate it would be impossible.

You should also consider that if we had tried it that way, then we wouldn't have Greece on our side, the balance of power would be even worst for us, and the result could be even worst. Don't forget that both Greece and Turkey were NATO members, and the AngloAmericans were trying to serve their own interests without dissatisfying any side too much. If there was no risk of alienating Greece from NATO, then the Imperialists could have been even more harsh with us and the result an even worst one.

I don't think that the population is such an important criterion for gaining independence. Many small countries have managed to gain their independence, under difficult conditions.

And there are sure big differences among Egyptian population. How about the difference between Muslims and Christians? Between Beduins and the farmers of the Nil-Valley? The Arabs and the Nubians? The various regional and tribal antagonisms?
If you think of it, the religious/linguistic differences in Cyprus weren't greater than in an average British colony, probably less. History is an important factor if you want it to be, to the biggest part. And incentives could be (and were) given by the colonialists in groups of the populations in various colonies.

What makes the case of Cyprus different aren't these factors, but the massive involvement of two competing foreign nationalisms.

The involvement of greek nationalism made the involvement of turkish nationalism unavoidable. And the NATO-allies wanted to keep the balance between Turkey and Greece. As long as Greece would have control in Cyprus, Turkey should have some control too to counter it. That was the logic of all solution plans supported by NATO countries.

If there was no interest from Greece, and an all-Cypriot national movement instead, Turkey would have less motivation and it would find less local allies for intervening in Cyprus.

And let's not forget that Greece's negative influence isn't restricted in the period of junta. Don't forget that Zurich-London agreements came with greek involvement, ignoring both GCs and TCs, don't forget G. Papandreou's positive atttitude to Acheson-Plan, i.e. practically partition, and even the thoughts of overthrowing Makarios, Karamanlis' "Cyprus is far away" etc. All this by "democratic" greek governments. And perhaps most important of all, the infection of GCs with greek nationalism, which made the living together with TCs very problematic.

[Afroasiatis]

I think AKEL could have been the rallying point for all Cypriots had they not switched their alliance to Enosis at the last minute,in 1949...Funny how history repeats itself...AKEL also did a backflip on the referandum in 2004...

Yes, I think that too. AKEL had the basic concept which could make it the power behind a united-Cyprus movement, but unfortunately, in the most critical moments, it was too coward. And also, until 1990, too much dependent on USSR.

[Bananiot]

Unfortunately AKEL is still nostalgic of USSR ... and just like Piratis, they are waiting for the balance of power to change!

[Get Real!]

Unfortunately AKEL is still nostalgic of USSR ... and just like Piratis, they are waiting for the balance of power to change!

With all that’s happened in the world recently, I was wondering who the next idiot would be to post this!