by ZoC » Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:39 pm
Paphitis wrote:ZoC wrote:Paphitis wrote:
Greeks are capable of anything when they put their minds to it, and band together as one united people.
cool. i got a project for them...
Sorry, no can do!
Cypriots will need to get off their arses first! Lead by example, afterall, it is our country is it not?
by Paphitis » Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:43 pm
ZoC wrote:Paphitis wrote:ZoC wrote:Paphitis wrote:
Greeks are capable of anything when they put their minds to it, and band together as one united people.
cool. i got a project for them...
Sorry, no can do!
Cypriots will need to get off their arses first! Lead by example, afterall, it is our country is it not?
sure... that was more for the 'cyprus is greek' brigade.
by Piratis » Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:43 pm
Afroasiatis wrote:Piratis wrote:
A real independence could be an acceptable alternative. But Cyprus was never given a real independence. What was forced on us with the 1960 agreements was some pseudo independence with foreign troops, foreign bases, foreign judges of the supreme court, "guarantor powers" and Ottoman style privileges granted to an 18% minority on the expense of the rest of Cypriots.
A real independence is anyway impossible. Is there one country in the world that can call itself really independent, that doesn't depend at all on other countries?
What Cyprus could get was an independence similar to that which most other ex-British colonies got. Not perfect, but far better than the one it finally got.
And the reason for this very restricted independence, compared to the other colonies, was exactly the presence of two competing nationalisms in the island. Among GCs this was expressed as the ideology of Enosi. This is what gave the UK the power to keep officially much of its control over Cyprus, and the right of Greece and Turkey to intervene in the internal affairs of Cyprus.
If there was a single Cypriot nationalism instead, with the goal of a real independent Cyprus where ethnic identity wouldn't matter at all, the British imperialists would have it much more difficult. They would still try to divide the Cypriot people and keep control of Cyprus, but we made it far too easy for them.
by BirKibrisli » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:07 pm
ZoC wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:ZoC wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:.There are still some brave souls (including the writers and editors of AFRIKA) who are prepared to put themselves at great risk and oppose Turkey's policies in Cyprus...Throw them a lifeline instead of insulting them and blaming them for your own historical mistakes...
lifeline? no... according to insan it was free cypriots who fired gun shots at them... to destablize the north.
What are you talking about,Mala???
who? it's wot insan said in another thread.BirKibrisli wrote:Who are the 'free Cypriots'???
free cypriots are ones not ensnared by an outside force. the clue is in the word 'free'.
by Piratis » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:18 pm
BirKibrisli wrote:ZoC wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:ZoC wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:.There are still some brave souls (including the writers and editors of AFRIKA) who are prepared to put themselves at great risk and oppose Turkey's policies in Cyprus...Throw them a lifeline instead of insulting them and blaming them for your own historical mistakes...
lifeline? no... according to insan it was free cypriots who fired gun shots at them... to destablize the north.
What are you talking about,Mala???
who? it's wot insan said in another thread.BirKibrisli wrote:Who are the 'free Cypriots'???
Come on ,mate...You are Malapapa's reincarnation,you are not fooling anyone...And by the way,there are no 'free' Cypriots..Cypriots have given up on the opportunity of being free when they voted for Union with Greece,back in 1950...Rings a bell????
by BirKibrisli » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:19 pm
Hermes wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:
Who is justifying the invasion or the current occupation??? I am simply asking you to acknowledge the role Enosis played in our little tragedy,and the pain and suffering it has brought on all Cypriots,including the TCs.
The current division of the island is not the result of enosis. That is like blaming the victim of rape for provoking her rapist. If Turkey has "strategic interests" in Cyprus, as you acknowledge, then enosis cannot be the cause. It was the excuse and it still is for people like you who dredge up its ghost in order to blame the victims of Turkish military adventurism.
You raise the fearful spectre of enosis in order to excuse the T/Cs and their leadership from their own disastrous alignment with forces hell-bent on partitioning the island. But T/Cs cannot be excused so lightly from their collaboration with the British and for waging a separatist guerrilla war against the majority population. And for their continuing support for partition to this day. Isn't it about time T/Cs stopped seeing themselves as children unable to make moral choices?
Of course Greek Cypriots fought back against those fascists and imperialists who threatened their right to self-determination. Many brave T/Cs did so too in defiance of their leadership and they paid a heavy price for it. You seem shamefully unaware of their existence so blinded are you by Turkish propaganda about the bogey man of enosis.
You are not a seven year-old boy anymore and yet you still seem to believe in ghosts and to be frightened of shadows in the dark. It is time you grew up and started to believe in things other than those strange apparitions that once haunted a young boy.
by ZoC » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:24 pm
BirKibrisli wrote:ZoC wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:ZoC wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:.There are still some brave souls (including the writers and editors of AFRIKA) who are prepared to put themselves at great risk and oppose Turkey's policies in Cyprus...Throw them a lifeline instead of insulting them and blaming them for your own historical mistakes...
lifeline? no... according to insan it was free cypriots who fired gun shots at them... to destablize the north.
What are you talking about,Mala???
who? it's wot insan said in another thread.BirKibrisli wrote:Who are the 'free Cypriots'???
Come on ,mate...You are Malapapa's reincarnation,you are not fooling anyone...And by the way,there are no 'free' Cypriots..Cypriots have given up on the opportunity of being free when they voted for Union with Greece,back in 1950...Rings a bell????
by BirKibrisli » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:35 pm
ZoC wrote:Hermes wrote:Bananiot wrote:Oh dear, was Kavazoglu one of those brave TC's you have referred to? Did these brave TC's support enosis?
Kavazoglu was certainly a brave man. But he was killed by the TMT not by Greek Cypriots. Enosis did not cause Kavazoglu's death. Unless you believe that the TMT were justified in executing him. Perhaps you actually believe that Turkey was provoked into partition. Just as the TMT were provoked by enosis into executing Turkish Cypriots who chose not to throw in their lot with their partitionist agenda. Strange how the victim, in your eyes, must be to blame.
I wonder if you would ask a relative of yours who had been raped to apologize to their rapist because she happened to be dressed provocatively. After all she probably had it coming to her, didn't she?
this is an analogy i've often considered appropriate for cyprus... unfortunately some cypriots picked up the habit of wearing short skirts from somewhere...
by Paphitis » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:39 pm
BirKibrisli wrote:ZoC wrote:Hermes wrote:Bananiot wrote:Oh dear, was Kavazoglu one of those brave TC's you have referred to? Did these brave TC's support enosis?
Kavazoglu was certainly a brave man. But he was killed by the TMT not by Greek Cypriots. Enosis did not cause Kavazoglu's death. Unless you believe that the TMT were justified in executing him. Perhaps you actually believe that Turkey was provoked into partition. Just as the TMT were provoked by enosis into executing Turkish Cypriots who chose not to throw in their lot with their partitionist agenda. Strange how the victim, in your eyes, must be to blame.
I wonder if you would ask a relative of yours who had been raped to apologize to their rapist because she happened to be dressed provocatively. After all she probably had it coming to her, didn't she?
this is an analogy i've often considered appropriate for cyprus... unfortunately some cypriots picked up the habit of wearing short skirts from somewhere...
If you insist on using the rape analogy (your choice not mine) let me put it in perspective for you...
A married woman thinks little of her husband and has eyes for another man...She kicks her husband out and declares her love for the Other Man...But before she gets the chance to consumate her love the husband's big Cousin steps in and saves the husband's honour by slapping the woman a bit and forbidding the Other Man from coming near her...To take revenge she screams RAAAAAAPPPPEEEEEE!!!
by BirKibrisli » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:32 pm
Piratis wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:ZoC wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:ZoC wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:.There are still some brave souls (including the writers and editors of AFRIKA) who are prepared to put themselves at great risk and oppose Turkey's policies in Cyprus...Throw them a lifeline instead of insulting them and blaming them for your own historical mistakes...
lifeline? no... according to insan it was free cypriots who fired gun shots at them... to destablize the north.
What are you talking about,Mala???
who? it's wot insan said in another thread.BirKibrisli wrote:Who are the 'free Cypriots'???
Come on ,mate...You are Malapapa's reincarnation,you are not fooling anyone...And by the way,there are no 'free' Cypriots..Cypriots have given up on the opportunity of being free when they voted for Union with Greece,back in 1950...Rings a bell????
Are you saying that Athenians, Cretans, Rhodians etc are not free?
Our freedom is limited by the foreign imperialists who impose on us their will by force. Choosing by ourselves what the destiny of our own island should be is what freedom is all about. You are guilty of collaborating with foreign imperialists to deny to Cyprus its freedom.
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