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[DTA]

Dude expalian to us again what happened to the 35% of the population that was in Crete? what is the Turkish populatIon of Crete today?

and why would this not have happened in Cyprus?

Don't Greek nationalist call Cretans turk killers/ turk Eaters?

What happened to the Greeks of Asia Minor? Where are they now?

Three times more Greeks than Turks became refugees during that time and in 1923 there was an agreed population exchange between Greece and Turkey.

After this population exchange, and according to the agreement, a number of Turks remained in Greece, and a number of Greeks in Turkey. And guess what. The number of Turks in Greece has increased since then, and those people have higher standards of living than the average Turkish citizen. On the other hand the Greeks that remained in Turkey were gradually forced to leave, and only a tiny number remains there today.

Rhodes united with Greece in 1948. The population of the Turkish minority in Rhodes increased since then. The same would have happened to you in Cyprus if Cyprus was united with Greece. But because you could not respect the decisions of the majority and you choose conflict, the result is that today there are less TCs in Cyprus than they were in the 50s.

why do you avoid my questions?

[Piratis]

Your struggle was not for 'independence'...It was for ENOSIS with Greece...That was the first fcuk up...You exposed your arse to the imperialists,and they fcuked you well and properly,but we got fcuked too in the process...For that you owe us,TCs ,an appology...I am waiting...

You need to get a grip. You really believe that Greek Cypriots should apologize because Turkey decided to invade and occupy the island in 1974? Are you seriously bloody joking? Since when have victims of criminal acts been asked to apologise to their assailants? How did you ever reach such a degenerate conclusion? Is that how the law works in Turkey? Because in the rest of the civilized world it is the wrong-doer that is punished. Only in Turkey does it appear that criminality is state policy and criminals are free to roam the streets while innocent victims languish in prison. I sincerely hope a member of your family never becomes a victim of a serious crime because it would spare them the further insult of having you demand they apologize to the criminal for provoking them.

That reminds me of some rapists that would try to excuse their action by saying that the victim was "dressed provocatively". Maybe she was, but as long as it was legal for her to dress in that way, then nobody had the right to judge her, let alone commit a crime against her.

At the very least, when Makarios accepted to compromise and proposed independence as an alternative, they should have allowed us to have real independence, like all other modern democratic countries.

Our freedoms were, and continue to be, grossly violated, and those who should apologize are those Imperialists who are violating our freedoms and rights, and not us because we supposedly "provoked" them by asking for our legitimate rights.

[Piratis]

Dude expalian to us again what happened to the 35% of the population that was in Crete? what is the Turkish populatIon of Crete today?

and why would this not have happened in Cyprus?

Don't Greek nationalist call Cretans turk killers/ turk Eaters?

What happened to the Greeks of Asia Minor? Where are they now?

Three times more Greeks than Turks became refugees during that time and in 1923 there was an agreed population exchange between Greece and Turkey.

After this population exchange, and according to the agreement, a number of Turks remained in Greece, and a number of Greeks in Turkey. And guess what. The number of Turks in Greece has increased since then, and those people have higher standards of living than the average Turkish citizen. On the other hand the Greeks that remained in Turkey were gradually forced to leave, and only a tiny number remains there today.

Rhodes united with Greece in 1948. The population of the Turkish minority in Rhodes increased since then. The same would have happened to you in Cyprus if Cyprus was united with Greece. But because you could not respect the decisions of the majority and you choose conflict, the result is that today there are less TCs in Cyprus than they were in the 50s.

why do you avoid my questions?

All your questions are answered. If you really can't understand what I said, then please let me know and I will give you the same answer in even simpler terms that hopefully you can understand.

[repulsewarrior]

...(lol) Turkish Cypriot are like the Kurds, if one talks of Human Rights; it's like Greek Cypriots are Turks.

and mr. b, it was less a war for Enosis, it was not a war for independanec, it was more a war for Freedon from subjugation. more importantly, if you agree in that era there was a strong influence from many interlocutors, there was the noble belief that given time a kind of cooperatio could be engineered which by the rest of Mankind emulated. Greek Cypriots have nothing to appologise for, they have alrewady apologised, Mr. Talat if you reacall did not reciprocate. If there is to be Movement it must be a force from the roots up. Pacifism is a good goal if it means that within our State we unite to demonstrate Universal Principals. 70 million Turks is quite a threat to a vast majority of Cyprus's population, you should understand this fear, as every Turkish Cypriot knows the same fear under a differnet circumstance; i am not so keen on your demand, it is lacking real wit from a man like you, none of us are blameless, you are just winding up Hermes, and more importantly, as Cypriots we must stand up, for Human betterment. this is the starting point, that's the issue, hmmmm?

[B25]

...(lol) Turkish Cypriot are like the Kurds, if one talks of Human Rights; it's like Greek Cypriots are Turks.

and mr. b, it was less a war for Enosis, it was not a war for independanec, it was more a war for Freedon from subjugation. more importantly, if you agree in that era there was a strong influence from many interlocutors, there was the noble belief that given time a kind of cooperatio could be engineered which by the rest of Mankind emulated. Greek Cypriots have nothing to appologise for, they have alrewady apologised, Mr. Talat if you reacall did not reciprocate. If there is to be Movement it must be a force from the roots up. Pacifism is a good goal if it means that within our State we unite to demonstrate Universal Principals. 70 million Turks is quite a threat to a vast majority of Cyprus's population, you should understand this fear, as every Turkish Cypriot knows the same fear under a differnet circumstance; i am not so keen on your demand, it is lacking real wit from a man like you, none of us are blameless, you are just winding up Hermes, and more importantly, as Cypriots we must stand up, for Human betterment. this is the starting point, that's the issue, hmmmm?

RW, for once I agree Totally with you, and for once I have understood you utterings.

[Bananiot]

Repulsewarrior, I was 5 when the "war for Freedon from subjugation" started. Again, let us be clear about things. Not so much time has elapsed since and memories are still vivid.

For a start, it was not a war and secondly, the ideal that fuelled peoples' emotions was not freedom, but the unification with Greece, the legendary country of Plato, Socrates, Miltiades and the rest of the super humans that we were intoxicated with their feats at school. We would march with Greek flags every week, up and down the streets and alleys, shouting at the top of our voice "e, e, e, e, enosis".

EOKA went about achieving this goal by targetting not only soldiers and offices of the British army but mostly Greek Cypriots and civilians. I lost any respect I had for EOKA fighters when in 1958 in Famagusta, they rained bullets, in cold blood, on a couple of young English girls while they were doing their daily shopping. This and other acts of terrorism are not the acts of an organisation fighting a noble cause. Thus, permit me to be extremely doubtful about the "war for Freedon from subjugation" that you described.

Thirdly, most of the commanders of EOKA, at least in the Famagusta area which I know, became commanders of EOKA B' some years later. Those that landed cushy government jobs after independence, soon forgot the cry of enosis at the first obstacle. Only those that died an honourable death, such as Afxentiou and Matsis, during battles fought with regular British troops are vindicated. Afxentiou never condoned the daily executions of leftists but he died ... betrayed by one of his own, probably because of his left leanings.

[Bananiot]

B25, were you waiting for Erdogan to tell you that Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus? Perhaps, soon you will discover that the earth is round, after all ...

[B25]

B25, were you waiting for Erdogan to tell you that Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus? Perhaps, soon you will discover that the earth is round, after all ...

No, Bananiotoglu, I wasn't waiting, we all knew this, but it was the first official admission made in anger. This needs to be echoed constantly, for the world to be reminded the plight of the GCs due to your mates expansionist ideas. Shame you support them and not your own.

You have shown you 'anthropies' once again, by labelling the heros of EOKA as 'terrorists' and for that may you burn in hell. Many of your own villagers were part of that cause and many died doing it, but you still choose to cr*p on their memories. Perhaps next time you go to one of your gatherings, you might like to annouce you thought that and see what response you will get.

You are beyond redemption, and you are lucky that EOKA does not exist today is all I can say.

[BirKibrisli]

Your struggle was not for 'independence'...It was for ENOSIS with Greece...That was the first fcuk up...You exposed your arse to the imperialists,and they fcuked you well and properly,but we got fcuked too in the process...For that you owe us,TCs ,an appology...I am waiting...

You need to get a grip. You really believe that Greek Cypriots should apologize because Turkey decided to invade and occupy the island in 1974? Are you seriously bloody joking? Since when have victims of criminal acts been asked to apologise to their assailants? How did you ever reach such a degenerate conclusion? Is that how the law works in Turkey? Because in the rest of the civilized world it is the wrong-doer that is punished. Only in Turkey does it appear that criminality is state policy and criminals are free to roam the streets while innocent victims languish in prison. I sincerely hope a member of your family never becomes a victim of a serious crime because it would spare them the further insult of having you demand they apologize to the criminal for provoking them.

I did not ask you to apologise to Turkey or the Turks...I asked you to apologise to the 10s of thousands of Turkish Cypriots who had to become refugees and/or had to leave Cyprus and go into exile because of your selfish and insensitive demand for Enosis with Greece and all that followed....I am giving up on Piratis because his mind is made up...He will never see or accept anything other than what has been washed into his brain by years of GC state propaganda...I am hoping your mind is a little bit more open,and you can see that someone like myself and my family who left Cyprus in 1969,and was only able to visit my village after 40 years to find it in ruins,rased to the ground by those GCs who are using our lands for pigfarming,and have not received a sent in compensation for losing our property and our country, deserves an apology,becuase we are the worst victims of your bloodyminded efforts to achieve Enosis with Greece...

[BirKibrisli]

DTA wrote:
Dude expalian to us again what happened to the 35% of the population that was in Crete? what is the Turkish populatIon of Crete today?

and why would this not have happened in Cyprus?

Don't Greek nationalist call Cretans turk killers/ turk Eaters?

many creten turks immigrated to turkey,im sure there were atrocities but there were atrocities on the turkish side as well.200,000 ponitan greeks perished in death marches to.so your point?

So two wrongs make one right ,is that it???

Knowing what happened to the Creten Turks and the Rhodes Turks and the others living in mainland Greece,do you blame the TCs for resisting the same fate with all their might... It would have been no consolation to us,TCs,that Greeks in Turkey also suffered a great deal...We just wanted to save our own skins...You would've done the same in our shoes...