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[BirKibrisli]

Birkibrisli, brother, do not frustrate yourself over these people. They are deeply addicted to the orgasmic pleasures of extreme mutual hatred. They are lost souls who will never find their way. Without someone to hate they are nobodies. Hating gives them a reason to live. As simple as that.

Good advice,Bananiot gardash,I appreciate your wisdom...

[BirKibrisli]

:lol:

There is no one as blind as he who refuses to see,as I always say...

Funny how GR quotes something I wrote,and totally ignores the context in which those events took place,and all the other comments I've made on the subject since 2007...

I have explained many things since,but our GR just keeps on quoting that one post,and thinks he is condeming me...In case DTA or others have missed or forgotten my others posts on the subject of the TMT and my father's involvement,I will make a quick summary...

When the events I described took place I was 6-7 years old...I plead guilty your honour!!!

As a Head Master in a school in a reasonably large TC village in the Paphos region my father simply had no choice but to be the organiser and later on the regional commander for that area...The TMT was formed to protect the TCs from what we thought was the inevitable massacre attempts by the GCs...The EOKA and the ENOSIS dream had put the fear of death in every one of us,nd it was simply a desperate attempt to organise some sort of self-defence...

All my father's activities were concentrated on preparing the area for defence...The primitive( and some not so primitive) weapons he managed to acquire were what stood between us and wholesale destruction of our homes and villages,this we all believed in...During the years my father was in charge of the local TMT (1957-59) not one bullet was fired at any GC...I have no idea what would've happened if we didnt let the GCs know we were ready and waiting for them,but the preventative measures were enough to keep the peace in our area...

By 1960 my father was no longer active in the TMT,and by 1963 he was allowed to resign,in extraordinary circumstances I have described elsewhere...And we left Cyprus for Australia in February,1969...

Like all resistance organisations the TMT was only as good as the people who run it,and what happened to it once its primary purpose (safeguarding the TC community) was fulfilled was also inevitable...My father is not in the least responsible for the excesses of the TMT,and I am proud of his role and my little efforts to support him in safeguarding those weapons...If that makes me a terrorist,so be it...

GR has no idea how frightful the conditions were for the TCs during those times,and the demonisation of the TMT is fully achieved in his mind...He refuses to see that the TMT initially was as much of a freedomfighting organisation for the TCs as the original EOKA was for the GCs...He prefers to see things as black and white,the EOKA all good and the TMT all bad...This is the curse of the Cypriots...Glorifying your own side and demonising the other...I have tried in the past to admit the mistakes of my own side,and to show empathy and compassion for the GC suffering .My gesture was not reciprocated,and I could not keep silent while my admissions and acknowledgements of the TC wrongs were used as a big stick to beat up my own people...One sided empathy and compassion and understanding are not enough to bring us to a just and lasting solution...That is why I now try to tell all who might listen that there are two sides to every dispute,and both sides must learn to put themselves in the other's shoes if we are to find a way out of this mess...Accusing a 7 years old child and his long dead father (who only did what he thought was his duty to protect his community for 2 brief years in the 50s) of active protagonism in the Cyprus conflict is drawing a very long and crooked bow...

Hey BIR dont forget the agreement with the Lurucadi and the Zivania production I am in too and we will not give a drop to nasty GR

Good to hear!!! GR would not appreciate Zivania anyway,he is sold on the Western poison,whisky...

[BirKibrisli]

Bir

The TMT initially was as much of a freedomfighting organisation for the TCs as the original EOKA was for the GCs...

My understanding is that EOKA was a freedom fighting organisation to FREE Cyprus from the British Colonisation. TMT was a freedom fighting organisation against GC's there is the difference.

A bit of correction,Andreas...the EOKA was a 'freedom fighting' organisation of the GCs to free Cyprus from British colonisation AND deliver her to Greece on a plate...TMT was formed to resist this( ENOSIS) and protect the TCs from armed attacks,and hence was considered by the TCs as 'liberation/resistance heros', 'life saviours' ,'oppression fighters' etc....

[Piratis]

The TMT initially was as much of a freedomfighting organisation for the TCs as the original EOKA was for the GCs...

Dear God! An apologist for the role of the TMT in Cyprus! Now we know where you've been coming from all this time!

The main role of the TMT was not protecting the T/Cs as you claim but in promoting the partition of Cyprus. You seem unaware that the TMT was a pro-taksim paramilitary organisation formed by Rauf Denktash and Turkish military officers to bring partition.

You also seem unaware that TMT attacks on Greek Cypriot properties went back to the 1950s and that the Turkish state had sent Turkish officers and Special forces veterans in the guise of bankers, teachers and businessmen in order to train Turkish Cypriots in guerilla attacks on Greek Cypriots.

It's also well known that in 1963 the TMT was responsible for the creation of Turkish Cypriot enclaves throughout the island, into which it forced the majority of Turkish Cypriots in pursuit of its separatist agenda.

I always knew there was something deeply unpleasant about how far you would go in defending the 1974 invasion as a necessary and justified act of collective punishment against the Greek Cypriot population. But I had no idea of the extent of your own emotional investment in Turkey's prior interventionist crimes in Cyprus.

I find this an extraordinary personal confession to make on a public forum. Not for its honesty but for its self-deception and delusion. In defending a treacherous and extremist organisation such as the TMT as "freedom fighters" you nail your colours to the fascist mast.

Historians suggest the TMT were many things but they were not "freedom fighters". The TMT killed not just Greek Cypriots but also many Turkish Cypriots in pursuit of their goal of partition. The struggle to unify the island is a struggle against everything the TMT stood for: Turkish fascism, racism and expansionism.

At least we know where you stand in the historical struggle for freedom in Cyprus. It explains a lot.

You are right,Hermes...The term 'freedom fighters' is not enough to describe the TMT before 1960...I should have said 'life saving heros',because that was how they began their existance...You do not want to believe this because that would be admitting that your ancestors had bloody intentions towards their compatriots...You,like Piratis and a few others,prefer to keep your head firmly in GC state propaganda shit,repaeating parrot fashion their well rehearsed lines...I will take Banaiot's advice and not waste my time on you,yiou are a lost case...

The hard facts show that it is the TCs who started the inter-communal conflict in the 50s, when they collaborated with the foreign imperialists to help them oppress the Cypriot revolution, demanded that we should be exterminated from half of our island, and started to murder innocent GCs.



Up until then we've done nothing against TCs. We were fighting against the colonialists for our right to democratically determine the destiny of our own island, a right that has been denied to us for centuries by foreign oppressors who conquered our island to serve their own interests and created (and continue to create) major problems to the Cypriot people.

[BirKibrisli]

quatro

I had the idea that we where talking about EOKA B am i mistaken again

so take your emoticons and shove em .......

EOKA B was a fascist organisation and did not achieve much other than the current division of Cyprus. They used the good name of good fighters of EOKA to meet their union dream with Greece that a great number of Cypriots did not want.

My understanding is that Birks family had moved away from Cyprus well before 1974 therefore we were talking about EOKA.

As i know they left in 68-69 when TMT try to murder the whole family
so we were talking for EOKA B.

As for EOKA yes i agree with you . but also some members of it was members of EOKA B other orders then in 55 other in 59.

quattro,
My father had his differences with the TMT leadership as early as in 1960...He was a Unionist and not a Taksimist,if you know what I mean...I was under the wrong impression that the TMT wanted to take him out in 1962...But as it turned out,the local TMT commander ordered the hit for personal reasons...Father had cut all his ties with the TMT by 1963...
We left Cyprus in 1969 largely because Dad did not see a good future for TCs,economically and politically,in 1969...

[BirKibrisli]

quatro

I had the idea that we where talking about EOKA B am i mistaken again

so take your emoticons and shove em .......

EOKA B was a fascist organisation and did not achieve much other than the current division of Cyprus. They used the good name of good fighters of EOKA to meet their union dream with Greece that a great number of Cypriots did not want.

My understanding is that Birks family had moved away from Cyprus well before 1974 therefore we were talking about EOKA.

Yes, Bir talks of the period before 1960.

At the time many local TMT groups and leasers had no idea of the intentions of the movement. Originally or as far as the local groups were concerned TMTsole aim was the protection of the TCs in outlying areas and as a counterweight against EOKA whose aim was ENOSIS. Sometime later attitudes changed. The cry for ENOSIS had woken Britain up from the dangers of ENOSIS and the loss of the Brit bases(1950's) Up until then Turkey had no interest in Cyprus or its peoples. After all they did give up Cyprus after Lausanne. Upon Britains and the US Instigation they began calling for Partition to counter any GC claim of ENOSIS. Then the TMT were used to achieve this division of the Cypriot people. It was at this period that Birs father was 'forced' to leave the island. Many TCs resisited this policy. Our own home was firebombed twice by TMT, for the simple reason we carried on speaking to our GC neighbours (among them some GC cousins). This is the truth Hermes. Perhaps not to your liking but hey, we are here having a lovely chit chat.

All you need to do is to check publications related to the Cyprus problem not the brain-washing stuff you are fed in schools.

Hi Humanist I hope you are safe and sound down under.

Spot on,Deniz...Thank you for your post...But I am afraid our points will fall on deaf ears,as usual...There is no one as blind as .....you know the rest....

[BirKibrisli]

Synopsis:

Bir’s family was a protagonist TMT member; their house was the regional arms depot, their father the regional TMT commander/recruiter and the mother played her role in the cover up; the kids were used to hide the weapons etc.

Yet Bir comes on here today and asks EVERYONE ELSE to repent their CyProb sins!

The question I am asking YOU today Bir is…

ARE YOU READY TO REPENT YOURS AND THOSE OF YOUR FAMILY?

Cut the bullshit,GR...
The TMT my father helped organise was a defensive organisation,formed to protect the TCs from highly likely attacks by EOKA- linked GC paramilitaries...I AND MY FAMILY HAVE NOTHING TO REPENT,WE HAVE COMMITTED NO SINS...What happened to the TMT after 1960 is no responsibility of ours...LIsten to what Bananiot is telling you...He is talking the truth..It might not be palatable for you,but that doesnt change the facts...

[ZoC]

Birkibrisli, brother, do not frustrate yourself over these people. They are deeply addicted to the orgasmic pleasures of extreme mutual hatred. They are lost souls who will never find their way. Without someone to hate they are nobodies. Hating gives them a reason to live. As simple as that.

Good advice,Bananiot gardash,I appreciate your wisdom...

good grief, what's extreme here is your nauseous hyperbole. i think i'm gonna be

[BirKibrisli]

The TMT initially was as much of a freedomfighting organisation for the TCs as the original EOKA was for the GCs...

Dear God! An apologist for the role of the TMT in Cyprus! Now we know where you've been coming from all this time!

The main role of the TMT was not protecting the T/Cs as you claim but in promoting the partition of Cyprus. You seem unaware that the TMT was a pro-taksim paramilitary organisation formed by Rauf Denktash and Turkish military officers to bring partition.

You also seem unaware that TMT attacks on Greek Cypriot properties went back to the 1950s and that the Turkish state had sent Turkish officers and Special forces veterans in the guise of bankers, teachers and businessmen in order to train Turkish Cypriots in guerilla attacks on Greek Cypriots.

It's also well known that in 1963 the TMT was responsible for the creation of Turkish Cypriot enclaves throughout the island, into which it forced the majority of Turkish Cypriots in pursuit of its separatist agenda.

I always knew there was something deeply unpleasant about how far you would go in defending the 1974 invasion as a necessary and justified act of collective punishment against the Greek Cypriot population. But I had no idea of the extent of your own emotional investment in Turkey's prior interventionist crimes in Cyprus.

I find this an extraordinary personal confession to make on a public forum. Not for its honesty but for its self-deception and delusion. In defending a treacherous and extremist organisation such as the TMT as "freedom fighters" you nail your colours to the fascist mast.

Historians suggest the TMT were many things but they were not "freedom fighters". The TMT killed not just Greek Cypriots but also many Turkish Cypriots in pursuit of their goal of partition. The struggle to unify the island is a struggle against everything the TMT stood for: Turkish fascism, racism and expansionism.

At least we know where you stand in the historical struggle for freedom in Cyprus. It explains a lot.

You are right,Hermes...The term 'freedom fighters' is not enough to describe the TMT before 1960...I should have said 'life saving heros',because that was how they began their existance...You do not want to believe this because that would be admitting that your ancestors had bloody intentions towards their compatriots...You,like Piratis and a few others,prefer to keep your head firmly in GC state propaganda shit,repaeating parrot fashion their well rehearsed lines...I will take Banaiot's advice and not waste my time on you,yiou are a lost case...

The hard facts show that it is the TCs who started the inter-communal conflict in the 50s, when they collaborated with the foreign imperialists to help them oppress the Cypriot revolution, demanded that we should be exterminated from half of our island, and started to murder innocent GCs.



Up until then we've done nothing against TCs. We were fighting against the colonialists for our right to democratically determine the destiny of our own island, a right that has been denied to us for centuries by foreign oppressors who conquered our island to serve their own interests and created (and continue to create) major problems to the Cypriot people.

Oh NOOOOO Not that video again....

Piratis,I understand that you cannot afford to open your mind and let some truth and sense sip in...Your whole life-stand,your reason d'etre would be under grave danger...But delusions cannot change the facts...
You will go to your grave believing what you believe...You are a hopeless case...Enjoy!

[BirKibrisli]

Birkibrisli, brother, do not frustrate yourself over these people. They are deeply addicted to the orgasmic pleasures of extreme mutual hatred. They are lost souls who will never find their way. Without someone to hate they are nobodies. Hating gives them a reason to live. As simple as that.

Good advice,Bananiot gardash,I appreciate your wisdom...

good grief, what's extreme here is your nauseous hyperbole. i think i'm gonna be

Another lost sole who will never find his way...You can't afford to because then you will have to eat your own vomit!!!(like a dog)