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[humanist]

VP

Thats easy Gcs like yourself feel that you have the god given right to dominate and rule over us, force us to surrender to your demand that we accept minority status in a GC state.

am not suggesting you accept minority status am suggesting you become equal through one citizenship where one person= one vote where a TC may be on par with a GC and hold the Presidency. Anything else than this denotes you to a minority which you are. Your numbers are far less than the GC's it doesn't mean that you are a lesser of a human being or an EU citizen. However, if you identify as a TC then your a minority, and Maronites are a smaller number than you even and Armenian Cyp's even smaller yet.

Am really not sure what the resistance from the TC's are that you do not want to identify as Cypriot?

[Viewpoint]

So humanist with a 20% 80% imbalance how will the TCs have any effective say in their own future when we are fully aware of GCs racist and revenge seeking mindset against TCs.

[Kikapu]

So humanist with a 20% 80% imbalance how will the TCs have any effective say in their own future when we are fully aware of GCs racist and revenge seeking mindset against TCs.

One way to make sure that does not happen, is to do away with ethnic parties and have only political ideology parties which anyone can join based on their political persuasion..!

In the real world, decisions are made with political ideology by the government and not based on ethnicity. You don't want to live in the real world, because you would rather live in a ethnically divided world.!

[Viewpoint]

Cypriots are just not ready for such a move so what do we do in the interim when you consider the total mistrust between the two sides.

[free_cyprus]

Surely no one expects the "TRNC" to file for bankruptcy, Erdogan is too proud to let that happen with the elections in the horizon.

Looking at the long term, the financial situation in the north does not look promising. The occupying Turkish troops continue to strangulate the TC community from the outside world playing the "protector" role. But how much longer can this go on? Can the TCs "see" the blink future ahead? When the situation gets worse, I see civil unrest, increase in crime and poverty rising to dangerous levels. Perhaps a "rush" to the south for a better life might force the RoC to close the borders. Furthermore, I see the occupying troops turning against the TC uprising to control the unrest.

The RoC can only sit back & watch since it has no control over the north. Should the TCs expect or demand help from the RoC? They might... The RoC should stand firm.

apart from tourism what does north or south cyprus produce potatoes ????

[Kikapu]

Cypriots are just not ready for such a move so what do we do in the interim when you consider the total mistrust between the two sides.

I don't buy that at all. You are always ready to point out your concerns but you are not willing to demand changes that would do away with your concerns that would also be acceptable to the other side. You problem is, you are not ready to give up on your Taksim Dreams, is the reason why you want to retain ethnically divided political parties. Don't blame good solutions based on Democracy and Human rights as being faulty and untrustworthy. Blame them on you wanting to keep Cyprus divided in anyway possible, and wanting ethnic political parties is just one of them.

[Viewpoint]

Cypriots are just not ready for such a move so what do we do in the interim when you consider the total mistrust between the two sides.

I don't buy that at all. You are always ready to point out your concerns but you are not willing to demand changes that would do away with your concerns that would also be acceptable to the other side. You problem is, you are not ready to give up on your Taksim Dreams, is the reason why you want to retain ethnically divided political parties. Don't blame good solutions based on Democracy and Human rights as being faulty and untrustworthy. Blame them on you wanting to keep Cyprus divided in anyway possible, and wanting ethnic political parties is just one of them.

Neither side is mature or ready for such a move, can you answer this question honestly maybe difficult for you but please try. Can a political ideological party be manipulated by either ethnic group to favor one community more than the other? or can one ethnic group be excluded with just a symbolic presence?

[Kikapu]

Cypriots are just not ready for such a move so what do we do in the interim when you consider the total mistrust between the two sides.

I don't buy that at all. You are always ready to point out your concerns but you are not willing to demand changes that would do away with your concerns that would also be acceptable to the other side. You problem is, you are not ready to give up on your Taksim Dreams, is the reason why you want to retain ethnically divided political parties. Don't blame good solutions based on Democracy and Human rights as being faulty and untrustworthy. Blame them on you wanting to keep Cyprus divided in anyway possible, and wanting ethnic political parties is just one of them.

Neither side is mature or ready for such a move, can you answer this question honestly maybe difficult for you but please try. Can a political ideological party be manipulated by either ethnic group to favor one community more than the other? or can one ethnic group be excluded with just a symbolic presence?

I need to go, but will get back to your question if you want to discuss it furthermore.

Basically in a word, No, political parties based on political ideologies cannot be manipulated to favour one ethnic group over another when political parties based on ideology are made up of all ethnic groups, specially in today's world and Cyprus being in the EU.

But feel free to tell me what those manipulations could be that you may fear so that we can discuss them.!

[Hermes]

They will do nothing as the alternatives are more unacceptable.

The alternatives are humiliation, bankruptcy and extinction under Turkish domination. Or dignity, freedom and a share of the wealth of the ROC.

It's clear that some die-hard racists such as VP will never be able to live in a unified ROC and would rather retreat into life on a reservation in a futile gesture of communal suicide.

But the more intelligent T/Cs realize they are in a battle for survival. Erdogan has made his move. He has thrown the gauntlet down to the T/Cs and dared them to defy him. Let's see if they have the balls...

It is no matter of balls. It is a matter of dignity & common sense. As all Cypriots do, they have the right dose of dignity, but tCypriots need to realize that a unifying proposal awaits a well thought out answer. In 1963 they made the mistake of letting Turkey answer. Will thy now have the common sense to provide it themselves?

http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/pre ... osals.html

It takes courage to stand up for your rights and dignity. T/Cs have been compliant for many years in their own shame and degradation. I hesitate to say they have woken up as their conscience has been easily bought in the past. It's too early to say if this is a sea-change in T/C's relations with Turkey. But it is a new development. In the past, T/Cs have had neither common sense nor courage. Now they see which way the wind is blowing and they have to choose. The unknown is how severely Turkey will respond to continuing protests which challenge its authority in the north.

[georgios100]

After 37 years of negotiations, I think we are at the point to take matters in to our own hands and hammer down a solution. Voices of premature circumstances are quickly fading away... the time is now.

The TC community, I dare to say, has reached the boiling point. The vast majority want out of this mess. They had enough! TC hardliners have failed to establish their dreams of an independent and prosperous north. Cooler heads must prevail and move forward to a promising future for their people rather than the ongoing misery & suffering. Down to earth TCs know what is best for them.

The Egyptians managed the unthinkable under extremely harsh conditions. TCs don't have to fight to get there. The EU option is offered at the table, just reach for it. After all, you are as much Cypriots as we are.