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[georgios100]

That is why it is essential to have two sovereign states each administration representing each community this way power will not be lost and both communities are safeguarded while trust can be built over years.

The problem is that the TC community doesn’t have what it takes to create, sustain, and hang onto such a state, and after 36 years it doesn’t look like the RoC or Turkey is interested in helping them out with that either!

So under the circumstances does the TC community have a plan B besides begging?

There is only plan A & still in effect (Turkey calls the shots, period).

The TCs are not allowed a plan B (see above why).
So, TCs (AKA Turk wannabies), just suck it up & shut up.

[All4114All]

Dear Kikapu

The ideology in Greek Cyprus has been to avenge the insult of the Turkish invasion. This hateful ideology is nourished by the state, the Greek Orthodox Church, the schools, the army and the news media. It derives from genuine grievances, but does not offer genuine solutions. In the north, the older generation of Turkish Cypriots remembers their gross mistreatment in the 1960s and cling to an ideology of safety-through-separation.

So before any political ideology there has to be effort to deconstruct and dissolve these ideologies for your vision of true democracy to work and that’s a very long long way away.

That is why it is essential to have two sovereign states each administration representing each community this way power will not be lost and both communities are safeguarded while trust can be built over years.

Over 50 years we have not had a single government G/C or T/C whose political ideology has not had some ethnic influence, and don’t forget politics is all about money so it will only take for example a few wealthy G/C entrepreneurs to sway the ideology or laws of a certain party in favour of the wealthy. Once the scale starts to sway it will be very nervous times.

At the moment Cyprus has the plan but not the thirst. Also remember great countries of federation never started from a federation but a confederation like Australia for example it was years and years after trust and unification it became a federation with a single governing body for Australia, we have no trust, no united trust fund or deals to even have a glimpse of hope of one political party representing both communities equal in a true democracy.

You got it all wrong. Australia has always been a Federation since 1901 and prior to this existed 6 British Colonies which later become the 6 States and 2 Territories of what then became The Commonwealth of Australia on Federation Day.

There was never any mistrust between the colonies. In fact all 6 colonies were British possessions. There was never any need to "build trust" between these Colonies or The United Kingdom! The Australian Colonies were very British and Australia has an extensive British History and Inheritance even to this day. Even after Federation, Australia remained part of the British Empire as a Dominion, and even retained the Monarch as Head of State. The very same Monarch or Crown is referred to as the Australian Crown, so in effect Australia share the same Crown with the United Kingdom as do other independant nations!

http://australia.gov.au/about-australia ... federation

You don't know what you’re talking about I'm afraid!

Thank you.

But just dig a little deeper and you will understand what I mean prior to 1901 Australia had independent colonies more like running there own country which effected millitary, immigration, trade until all colonies united to become the federation of Australia the nation did not even exists before 1901. The trust factor that I was referring to was colonies had to pass a bill which included the constitution.

Correct these colonies were under British rule but each colony was self-governed.

[Paphitis]

Dear Kikapu

The ideology in Greek Cyprus has been to avenge the insult of the Turkish invasion. This hateful ideology is nourished by the state, the Greek Orthodox Church, the schools, the army and the news media. It derives from genuine grievances, but does not offer genuine solutions. In the north, the older generation of Turkish Cypriots remembers their gross mistreatment in the 1960s and cling to an ideology of safety-through-separation.

So before any political ideology there has to be effort to deconstruct and dissolve these ideologies for your vision of true democracy to work and that’s a very long long way away.

That is why it is essential to have two sovereign states each administration representing each community this way power will not be lost and both communities are safeguarded while trust can be built over years.

Over 50 years we have not had a single government G/C or T/C whose political ideology has not had some ethnic influence, and don’t forget politics is all about money so it will only take for example a few wealthy G/C entrepreneurs to sway the ideology or laws of a certain party in favour of the wealthy. Once the scale starts to sway it will be very nervous times.

At the moment Cyprus has the plan but not the thirst. Also remember great countries of federation never started from a federation but a confederation like Australia for example it was years and years after trust and unification it became a federation with a single governing body for Australia, we have no trust, no united trust fund or deals to even have a glimpse of hope of one political party representing both communities equal in a true democracy.

You got it all wrong. Australia has always been a Federation since 1901 and prior to this existed 6 British Colonies which later become the 6 States and 2 Territories of what then became The Commonwealth of Australia on Federation Day.

There was never any mistrust between the colonies. In fact all 6 colonies were British possessions. There was never any need to "build trust" between these Colonies or The United Kingdom! The Australian Colonies were very British and Australia has an extensive British History and Inheritance even to this day. Even after Federation, Australia remained part of the British Empire as a Dominion, and even retained the Monarch as Head of State. The very same Monarch or Crown is referred to as the Australian Crown, so in effect Australia share the same Crown with the United Kingdom as do other independant nations!

http://australia.gov.au/about-australia ... federation

You don't know what you’re talking about I'm afraid!

Thank you.

But just dig a little deeper and you will understand what I mean prior to 1901 Australia had independent colonies more like running there own country which effected millitary, immigration, trade until all colonies united to become the federation of Australia the nation did not even exists before 1901. The trust factor that I was referring to was colonies had to pass a bill which included the constitution.

Correct these colonies were under British rule but each colony was self-governed.

No you are wrong!

There was nothing independant about the 6 Australian Colonies.

The Colonies were ruled by a British appointed Governor General. Law and Order was maintained mostly by the British Military but each Colony had its own Police Force and was able to trade but not enter into any Foreign Relations. The Colonies were part of the British Empire had a degree of self rule at a local level but Australia was not yet born. The colonies were NOT free and independant nation states!

And as a nation, Australia has always been a Federation, not a Confederacy. However, Australia is not as yet a Republic and still maintains its own Crown making it a Crown democracy. By choice, Australia still maintains the Union Jack on its flag! but as a nation, Australia is far closer to the US and Canada than it is with the UK. The UK has taken a bit of a back seat in its relevancy in this day and age.

Australia became a unified nation (Federation) on 01 Jan 1901.

[bill cobbett]

Dear Kikapu

The ideology in Greek Cyprus has been to avenge the insult of the Turkish invasion. This hateful ideology is nourished by the state, the Greek Orthodox Church, the schools, the army and the news media. It derives from genuine grievances, but does not offer genuine solutions. In the north, the older generation of Turkish Cypriots remembers their gross mistreatment in the 1960s and cling to an ideology of safety-through-separation.

So before any political ideology there has to be effort to deconstruct and dissolve these ideologies for your vision of true democracy to work and that’s a very long long way away.

That is why it is essential to have two sovereign states each administration representing each community this way power will not be lost and both communities are safeguarded while trust can be built over years.

Over 50 years we have not had a single government G/C or T/C whose political ideology has not had some ethnic influence, and don’t forget politics is all about money so it will only take for example a few wealthy G/C entrepreneurs to sway the ideology or laws of a certain party in favour of the wealthy. Once the scale starts to sway it will be very nervous times.

At the moment Cyprus has the plan but not the thirst. Also remember great countries of federation never started from a federation but a confederation like Australia for example it was years and years after trust and unification it became a federation with a single governing body for Australia, we have no trust, no united trust fund or deals to even have a glimpse of hope of one political party representing both communities equal in a true democracy.

You got it all wrong. Australia has always been a Federation since 1901 and prior to this existed 6 British Colonies which later become the 6 States and 2 Territories of what then became The Commonwealth of Australia on Federation Day.

There was never any mistrust between the colonies. In fact all 6 colonies were British possessions. There was never any need to "build trust" between these Colonies or The United Kingdom! The Australian Colonies were very British and Australia has an extensive British History and Inheritance even to this day. Even after Federation, Australia remained part of the British Empire as a Dominion, and even retained the Monarch as Head of State. The very same Monarch or Crown is referred to as the Australian Crown, so in effect Australia share the same Crown with the United Kingdom as do other independant nations!

http://australia.gov.au/about-australia ... federation

You don't know what you’re talking about I'm afraid!

Thank you.

But just dig a little deeper and you will understand what I mean prior to 1901 Australia had independent colonies more like running there own country which effected millitary, immigration, trade until all colonies united to become the federation of Australia the nation did not even exists before 1901. The trust factor that I was referring to was colonies had to pass a bill which included the constitution.

Correct these colonies were under British rule but each colony was self-governed.

No you are wrong!

There was nothing independant about the 6 Australian Colonies.

The Colonies were ruled by a British appointed Governor General. Law and Order was maintained mostly by the British Military but each Colony had its own Police Force and was able to trade but not enter into any Foreign Relations. The Colonies were part of the British Empire had a degree of self rule at a local level but Australia was not yet born. The colonies were NOT free and independant nation states!

And as a nation, Australia has always been a Federation, not a Confederacy. However, Australia is not as yet a Republic and still maintains its own Crown making it a Crown democracy. By choice, Australia still maintains the Union Jack on its flag! but as a nation, Australia is far closer to the US and Canada than it is with the UK. The UK has taken a bit of a back seat in its relevancy in this day and age.

Australia became a unified nation (Federation) on 01 Jan 1901.

..... and it's still blooming useless at Cricket .......

[Paphitis]

Dear Kikapu

The ideology in Greek Cyprus has been to avenge the insult of the Turkish invasion. This hateful ideology is nourished by the state, the Greek Orthodox Church, the schools, the army and the news media. It derives from genuine grievances, but does not offer genuine solutions. In the north, the older generation of Turkish Cypriots remembers their gross mistreatment in the 1960s and cling to an ideology of safety-through-separation.

So before any political ideology there has to be effort to deconstruct and dissolve these ideologies for your vision of true democracy to work and that’s a very long long way away.

That is why it is essential to have two sovereign states each administration representing each community this way power will not be lost and both communities are safeguarded while trust can be built over years.

Over 50 years we have not had a single government G/C or T/C whose political ideology has not had some ethnic influence, and don’t forget politics is all about money so it will only take for example a few wealthy G/C entrepreneurs to sway the ideology or laws of a certain party in favour of the wealthy. Once the scale starts to sway it will be very nervous times.

At the moment Cyprus has the plan but not the thirst. Also remember great countries of federation never started from a federation but a confederation like Australia for example it was years and years after trust and unification it became a federation with a single governing body for Australia, we have no trust, no united trust fund or deals to even have a glimpse of hope of one political party representing both communities equal in a true democracy.

You got it all wrong. Australia has always been a Federation since 1901 and prior to this existed 6 British Colonies which later become the 6 States and 2 Territories of what then became The Commonwealth of Australia on Federation Day.

There was never any mistrust between the colonies. In fact all 6 colonies were British possessions. There was never any need to "build trust" between these Colonies or The United Kingdom! The Australian Colonies were very British and Australia has an extensive British History and Inheritance even to this day. Even after Federation, Australia remained part of the British Empire as a Dominion, and even retained the Monarch as Head of State. The very same Monarch or Crown is referred to as the Australian Crown, so in effect Australia share the same Crown with the United Kingdom as do other independant nations!

http://australia.gov.au/about-australia ... federation

You don't know what you’re talking about I'm afraid!

Thank you.

But just dig a little deeper and you will understand what I mean prior to 1901 Australia had independent colonies more like running there own country which effected millitary, immigration, trade until all colonies united to become the federation of Australia the nation did not even exists before 1901. The trust factor that I was referring to was colonies had to pass a bill which included the constitution.

Correct these colonies were under British rule but each colony was self-governed.

No you are wrong!

There was nothing independant about the 6 Australian Colonies.

The Colonies were ruled by a British appointed Governor General. Law and Order was maintained mostly by the British Military but each Colony had its own Police Force and was able to trade but not enter into any Foreign Relations. The Colonies were part of the British Empire had a degree of self rule at a local level but Australia was not yet born. The colonies were NOT free and independant nation states!

And as a nation, Australia has always been a Federation, not a Confederacy. However, Australia is not as yet a Republic and still maintains its own Crown making it a Crown democracy. By choice, Australia still maintains the Union Jack on its flag! but as a nation, Australia is far closer to the US and Canada than it is with the UK. The UK has taken a bit of a back seat in its relevancy in this day and age.

Australia became a unified nation (Federation) on 01 Jan 1901.

..... and it's still blooming useless at Cricket .......

Erm, the bleeding Poms were shockingly alright this year Bill!

[BirKibrisli]

no you can have turkey any way you want, roasted, bbq, boiled anyway is's yours...she told you so...she came for her own interest...and not about you...

she fed you and maintained you for 37 years...suck it up babeaaaa...bleed somewhere else...

I have no more blood left,boomers...You have sucked it all out since 1963....There is nothing standing between you and Turkey now...Get ready to face 2 million Anatolian settlers (pardon 2 million new TCs) by the end of this decade...You and Turkey deserve each other...You now have got the tiger by the tail,hang on for dear life or your arse will be toast... !!!

[boomerang]

no you can have turkey any way you want, roasted, bbq, boiled anyway is's yours...she told you so...she came for her own interest...and not about you...

she fed you and maintained you for 37 years...suck it up babeaaaa...bleed somewhere else...

I have no more blood left,boomers...You have sucked it all out since 1963....There is nothing standing between you and Turkey now...Get ready to face 2 million Anatolian settlers (pardon 2 million new TCs) by the end of this decade...You and Turkey deserve each other...You now have got the tiger by the tail,hang on for dear life or your arse will be toast... !!!

so you see nothing wrong with the tc policy since '63 huh?...

as said before becareful what you wish for...you wished for an apartheid state and now you are complaining cos you got your wish come true...

bir i said it before, regardless of 2, 3 , 10 states, the whole of cyprus needs democracy, human rights, not ethnic rights at the expence of others and the rule of law...reduce yur terittory...anything else will not work...something that your elected rulers and your turkish effendi wouldn't agree to...now you are crying?...

who knows the 10 points makarios wanted for discussion if adopted probably today we would have been alright...but guess who refused to even discuss them?..

adopt eu principles and we already there...

just for the record i like federation, i hate central government...something even turkey needs to think sometime in the future...

scaremongering ain't gonna work, you need to understand this...look around you, egypt, tunisia, etc...times have changed...

[hissyfits]

Interview with Tatar in the Cyprus Mail http://www.cyprus-mail.com/turkey/auste ... t/20110220

Rough times ahead or light at the end of the tunnel?

[B25]

Oh my heart bleeds ..... NOT

[BirKibrisli]

no you can have turkey any way you want, roasted, bbq, boiled anyway is's yours...she told you so...she came for her own interest...and not about you...

she fed you and maintained you for 37 years...suck it up babeaaaa...bleed somewhere else...

I have no more blood left,boomers...You have sucked it all out since 1963....There is nothing standing between you and Turkey now...Get ready to face 2 million Anatolian settlers (pardon 2 million new TCs) by the end of this decade...You and Turkey deserve each other...You now have got the tiger by the tail,hang on for dear life or your arse will be toast... !!!

so you see nothing wrong with the tc policy since '63 huh?...

as said before becareful what you wish for...you wished for an apartheid state and now you are complaining cos you got your wish come true...

bir i said it before, regardless of 2, 3 , 10 states, the whole of cyprus needs democracy, human rights, not ethnic rights at the expence of others and the rule of law...reduce yur terittory...anything else will not work...something that your elected rulers and your turkish effendi wouldn't agree to...now you are crying?...

who knows the 10 points makarios wanted for discussion if adopted probably today we would have been alright...but guess who refused to even discuss them?..

adopt eu principles and we already there...

just for the record i like federation, i hate central government...something even turkey needs to think sometime in the future...

scaremongering ain't gonna work, you need to understand this...look around you, egypt, tunisia, etc...times have changed...

None what so ever...Once you pushed for ENOSIS with Greece the rest had to follow like night follows day...But we don't want to dig up the past now,do we??? Lets look to the future...Turkey has given up pretending that the TRNC is an independent country...Erdogan wants to run it as a Turkish province...So be it...As Ecevit once said There is no cyprus problem,It was settled back in 1974...But hsshhhhhh,we do not want to dig up the past ,do we??? Lets look to the future...37% of Cyprus is now a Turkish province run by an appointed Governor...What are you going to do about it...???Erdogan says Turkey has strategic interests and will not give up One Inch of Cyprus...What are you going to do about that,boomers??? The ball is in your court...You worked very hard to come to this point...Lets see who YOU really are...