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[ZoC]

You better pray there is no such thing as Gliobal Warming!

errr... i don't think he needs to pray, cos there is no such thing as Gliobal Warming.

[Kikapu]

The meeting on then 2nd is again related to the economic cut backs it has nothing to do with finding a solution you morons are trying to use the situations to score a few brownie points and boost your own biased egos. Turkey will never leave the island without a solution you have always claimed they have strategic interests what has changed?

But if Turkey has already spoken against giving any more extra money to the "trnc", what's the point in having a second demonstration, unless it is to become confrontational with Turkey's presence in the north..??

Turkey cannot get the kind of settlement she wants, like the Annan Plan which would have given her control of the whole island and have influence in the EU through the north state. That dream has come on gone in 2004, so now she is stuck in Cyprus and can't just pull out without looking pretty silly, having invested so much in the north already and the prospect of being seen as defeated by the small country like the RoC. Turkey would rather pull out by having the TCs telling her to pull out just so to save face, which then she can concentrate on her EU dreams, because she is not getting anywhere with the EU, unless Turkey does leave Cyprus.

Turkey once may have thought she had "strategic interests" in Cyprus, but that too has come and gone. I can't see ANY "strategic interests" Turkey can have in Cyprus for her security that she cannot manage from her own shores only 60 miles away. Turkey's strategic interests are nothing but a "Red Herring" to stay in Cyprus until she can find a way to leave the island and save face same time.

Looks like she may have gotten it now by making the TCs angry by provoking them with the cuts in money supply and calling the TCs "ungrateful kept parasites".! It's all going to be downhill from here on, so you better buckle your seat for a rough ride, now that Turkey sent in the "arm twister" for an ambassador when he is not even a diplomat, Turkey is gradually relinquishing her recognition of the "trnc". At this moment in time, Turkey does not see the "trnc" as a independent country. She is on her way out and so is the "trnc", so get use to it.

Ill ask you the same question as well, how long do you need to know how wrong you were and how stupid you really are?

In time, we will all know everything.!

Let me ask you a very simple question which really relates to my above post. Do you think Erdogan and all his inner circle advisers are all stupid and ignorant bunch as to how much civil servant earn in the "trnc" for him to say this

Erdoğan said. "the lowest salary for a Turkish Cypriot civil servant was TL 10,000 -- a figure later disputed by Eroğlu, who said as president, even he does not make that much money."

Why would Erdogan make such a statement by saying that the LOWEST pay in the north for civil servants was 10,000 TL when he knows damn well that is not the case. Why would he say that, if it wasn't to really get the Turks in Turkey up in arms since their civil servant would earn just a fraction of the 10,000TL. I think it was a deliberate intent on Erdogan's part to get the Turks in Turkey to be against Turkey spending money in the north and being in Cyprus to protect bunch of ungratefuls. At the same time, get all the TCs pissed off in the north for his insulting attacks. It's called "killing two birds with one stone". If you tell me that Erdogan is stupid and ignorant of the facts in the north as far as civil servants pay goes, then ignore my post as being silly. So, which is it.??

[Hermes]

Are you aware of the world economic crisis, of course there has to be cut backs especially when some not all of these government workers are taking advantage of the generous financial support Turkey has been providing.

Once again VP misses the point. The T/C workers are protesting because their cushy jobs have protected them from assimilation with the masses of settlers who outnumber them. Now all these former "civil servants" face having to get jobs in the "TRNC" pirate economy - presumably as whores and casino workers. Naturally they're not too pleased at the prospect and have woken up to the reality of what Turkish financial support has kept hidden: that the "TRNC" is not a viable concern. It never was. It was all a big con. That is why they are looking towards the ROC now because it does have an economic future. The only alternative for T/Cs is continued emigration and/or eventual assimilation.

Deliberately or not, Erdogan has done the T/Cs a favour and made them realise just what partition means: T/Cs are reduced to competing for jobs with Anatolian goat herders. That is all that Turkey has to offer. No wonder they are revolting.

[Kikapu]

The meeting on then 2nd is again related to the economic cut backs it has nothing to do with finding a solution you morons are trying to use the situations to score a few brownie points and boost your own biased egos. Turkey will never leave the island without a solution you have always claimed they have strategic interests what has changed?

But if Turkey has already spoken against giving any more extra money to the "trnc", what's the point in having a second demonstration, unless it is to become confrontational with Turkey's presence in the north..??

Turkey cannot get the kind of settlement she wants, like the Annan Plan which would have given her control of the whole island and have influence in the EU through the north state. That dream has come on gone in 2004, so now she is stuck in Cyprus and can't just pull out without looking pretty silly, having invested so much in the north already and the prospect of being seen as defeated by the small country like the RoC. Turkey would rather pull out by having the TCs telling her to pull out just so to save face, which then she can concentrate on her EU dreams, because she is not getting anywhere with the EU, unless Turkey does leave Cyprus.

Turkey once may have thought she had "strategic interests" in Cyprus, but that too has come and gone. I can't see ANY "strategic interests" Turkey can have in Cyprus for her security that she cannot manage from her own shores only 60 miles away. Turkey's strategic interests are nothing but a "Red Herring" to stay in Cyprus until she can find a way to leave the island and save face same time.

Looks like she may have gotten it now by making the TCs angry by provoking them with the cuts in money supply and calling the TCs "ungrateful kept parasites".! It's all going to be downhill from here on, so you better buckle your seat for a rough ride, now that Turkey sent in the "arm twister" for an ambassador when he is not even a diplomat, Turkey is gradually relinquishing her recognition of the "trnc". At this moment in time, Turkey does not see the "trnc" as a independent country. She is on her way out and so is the "trnc", so get use to it.

Ill ask you the same question as well, how long do you need to know how wrong you were and how stupid you really are?

In time, we will all know everything.!

Let me ask you a very simple question which really relates to my above post. Do you think Erdogan and all his inner circle advisers are all stupid and ignorant bunch as to how much civil servant earn in the "trnc" for him to say this

Erdoğan said. "the lowest salary for a Turkish Cypriot civil servant was TL 10,000 -- a figure later disputed by Eroğlu, who said as president, even he does not make that much money."

Why would Erdogan make such a statement by saying that the LOWEST pay in the north for civil servants was 10,000 TL when he knows damn well that is not the case. Why would he say that, if it wasn't to really get the Turks in Turkey up in arms since their civil servant would earn just a fraction of the 10,000TL. I think it was a deliberate intent on Erdogan's part to get the Turks in Turkey to be against Turkey spending money in the north and being in Cyprus to protect bunch of ungratefuls. At the same time, get all the TCs pissed off in the north for his insulting attacks. It's called "killing two birds with one stone". If you tell me that Erdogan is stupid and ignorant of the facts in the north as far as civil servants pay goes, then ignore my post as being silly. So, which is it.??

[Paphitis]

The meeting on then 2nd is again related to the economic cut backs it has nothing to do with finding a solution you morons are trying to use the situations to score a few brownie points and boost your own biased egos. Turkey will never leave the island without a solution you have always claimed they have strategic interests what has changed?

If this is true, then Turkey would not be cutting back on "aid". Most nations have an open cheque book when it comes to Strategic Interests.

Perhaps these Strategic interests have changed, as they do with most other nations in time.

You have always been on thin ice. You better pray there is no such thing as Gliobal Warming!

Are you aware of the world economic crisis, of course there has to be cut backs especially when some not all of these government workers are taking advantage of the generous financial support Turkey has been providing.

I live in Australia, and have been shielded from this so called world economic crisis. What we saw was a moderate slow down, but there were no substantial job cuts, no cuts in spending, and hardly no decline in productivity.

There is no crisis here, and judging by the latest employment figures from the US, it appears that they are on the rebound, so it will be business as usual very soon for countries such as the US, China, Japan and Australia.

The crisis did focus at one point on the US due to the banking sector's easy loans 'credit crunch' since anyone with a pulse could get a loan, but they are getting past this as we speak, and now this so called crisis seems to be a European Affair. The focus is on Europe, and not on North America, Asia or the Asia Pacific.

Also, RoC GDP is set to expand this year, so they too have successfully negotiated this so called economic crisis.

Quite frankly, the TCs have been placed in this awful predicament by Turkey itself. The prolonged occupation has cause prolonged isolation and poverty and Turkey has a moral obligation to send the TCs some "aid" because if this occupation ceased to exist many years ago, then they too would be enjoying very high standards of living as other RoC citizens.

The TCs are not taking advantage of Turkey's "generous financial support" but it is Turkey that is taking advantage of the TCs to further other selfish geostrategic interests.

It is only a matter of time before they make their last stand, if their spirit has not already been crushed by Turkey herself!

[Paphitis]

My only hope is that the GCs will stand with them when this time has come!

[humanist]

the thing that has changed is the fact that the TC community is now expressing unhappiness with the regime in the occupied area. if this thing grows out of control on the 2nd Turkey will loose the reason that she is there to ensure the safety of the TC community. with this reason gone there really isn't a reason for turkey to be on the Island. This will make the UN re-think its position on Cyprus and consider further appropriate action (a) to ensure that TC have abetter life and the way to do this is through unification (b) ensure that Turkey meets the UN resolutions because it becomes an occupation regime which thus far has been there under false pretence

[Get Real!]

I live in Australia, and have been shielded from this so called world economic crisis. What we saw was a moderate slow down, but there were no substantial job cuts, no cuts in spending, and hardly no decline in productivity.

There is no crisis here, and judging by the latest employment figures from the US, it appears that they are on the rebound, so it will be business as usual very soon for countries such as the US, China, Japan and Australia.

No economy is an island!

The Economic Crisis in Australia

As growth stalls in China and the West, the so-called “lucky country” suffers the effects

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=13814

[Paphitis]

I live in Australia, and have been shielded from this so called world economic crisis. What we saw was a moderate slow down, but there were no substantial job cuts, no cuts in spending, and hardly no decline in productivity.

There is no crisis here, and judging by the latest employment figures from the US, it appears that they are on the rebound, so it will be business as usual very soon for countries such as the US, China, Japan and Australia.

No economy is an island!

The Economic Crisis in Australia

As growth stalls in China and the West, the so-called “lucky country” suffers the effects

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=13814

You need to get reliable sources such as the Reserve Bank of Australia which has stated that Interests Rate will rise this year to slow a runaway economy due to very healthy consumer spending, high property prices, rapid salary growth, and a robust jobs market which is plagued by a chronic skilled labour shortage and a low unemployment rate 0f 5%.

Trust me when I tell you, that the Australian economy is extremely strong and there is absolutely no crisis here fueled largely by an insatiable demand for Australian resources and very high commodity and gold prices.

Come and see for yourself!

Australian economy runs at fastest pace in nearly two years
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busines ... 5836541522

IMF: Australian economy to outdo others
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busines ... 5856609264

Australian economy
http://www.crikey.com.au/topic/australian-economy/

Australia cbank sees economy near full capacity
http://www.forexyard.com/en/news/Austra ... 16T230744Z

Commodity boom to continue as demand outweighs supply, says IMF
http://www.smh.com.au/business/commodit ... 167x5.html

[Viewpoint]

Paphitis

then they too would be enjoying very high standards of living as other RoC citizens.

Can you kindly give us details as I have yet to see things in the south which we do not have in the north, the standard of living is very similar' these claims that the south is some sort of economic heaven is a myth, if that were the case the majority of TCs would move south tomorrow.

The EU is a mess and the majority of nations have felt the pinch so push the Aussie economy is neither here or there, we have to take economic measures that will streamline our system and ensure the country gets value for money from its government paid workers. Thats what we are trying to implement but of course just like other countries it has been opposed but of course the GCs jump on this as if we are about to collapse and vanish on thin air, well it aint gonna happen we will be here for a long time to come and you GCs who claim such things will yet again look as stupid as you really are.