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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:51 pm

Hermes wrote:
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Jerry wrote:But how can Cypriots drive a wedge between TCs and Turkey?


The T/Cs need to look across the sea to Egypt for inspiration.



...but the TA is already there and they also control the police force.


Do you think the Turkish police and army is going to imprison and massacre the community it claimed it invaded Cyprus to "protect"? Good luck!


I meant, INVASION Mk II would not be necessary.


Turkish Cypriot protesters can still demonstrate that Turkey's occupation is against their interests. It undermines Turkey's stated reason for being on the island - that they came to "protect" Turkish Cypriots.


You gave Turkey the pretext it was seeking - unfortunately for both sides. Lets not go round in circles.
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Postby quattro » Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:04 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Hermes wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Hermes wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Hermes wrote:
Jerry wrote:But how can Cypriots drive a wedge between TCs and Turkey?


The T/Cs need to look across the sea to Egypt for inspiration.



...but the TA is already there and they also control the police force.


Do you think the Turkish police and army is going to imprison and massacre the community it claimed it invaded Cyprus to "protect"? Good luck!


I meant, INVASION Mk II would not be necessary.


Turkish Cypriot protesters can still demonstrate that Turkey's occupation is against their interests. It undermines Turkey's stated reason for being on the island - that they came to "protect" Turkish Cypriots.


You gave Turkey the pretext it was seeking - unfortunately for both sides. Lets not go round in circles.


:eyecrazy: :eyecrazy: :eyecrazy: :eyecrazy: :eyecrazy: I'm getting dizzy
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:10 pm

quattro wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Hermes wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Hermes wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Hermes wrote:
Jerry wrote:But how can Cypriots drive a wedge between TCs and Turkey?


The T/Cs need to look across the sea to Egypt for inspiration.



...but the TA is already there and they also control the police force.


Do you think the Turkish police and army is going to imprison and massacre the community it claimed it invaded Cyprus to "protect"? Good luck!


I meant, INVASION Mk II would not be necessary.


Turkish Cypriot protesters can still demonstrate that Turkey's occupation is against their interests. It undermines Turkey's stated reason for being on the island - that they came to "protect" Turkish Cypriots.


You gave Turkey the pretext it was seeking - unfortunately for both sides. Lets not go round in circles.


:eyecrazy: :eyecrazy: :eyecrazy: :eyecrazy: :eyecrazy: I'm getting dizzy


You better lie down; or even better go to bed.
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Postby Lit » Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:43 am

Hermes wrote:Erdogan's message to the protestors:

Erdogan appoints key aid slasher as ‘ambassador’

TENSIONS in the north rose yet further yesterday as Ankara appointed as ‘ambassador’ a man known among Turkish Cypriots as a key architect of an economic austerity package which they say will squeeze them off the island.

Newly appointed ‘ambassador’ to north Nicosia Halil Ibrahim Akca has worked as a deputy undersecretary in Ankara’s state planning organisation since 2002 and is a key figure in the branch of that office allocating aid – and more recently cutting aid - to north Cyprus. Significantly, he has no diplomatic or ambassadorial experience.
His appointment sparked fury among Turkish Cypriot politicians yesterday, with some calling his appointment “a deliberate act of provocation by Ankara”.

“It is as if Turkey is deliberately trying to raise the tensions,” head of the left-wing Communal Democracy Party (TDP) Mehmet Cakici said yesterday.

“Just when things were beginning to calm down, a step has been taken that will further inflame the people,” Cakici observed, adding a call for Turkish Cypriot leader Dervish Eroglu to reject Ankara’s appointment on the ground that Akca’s presence as ‘ambassador’ would not be in the interests of the Turkish Cypriots.

Cakici said that from what he had seen, Akca’s approach was more like that of “a governor” than an ambassador.



So just to clarify ... the new so called Ambassador is not even a diplomat and behaves more like a governor dictating an austerity plan for Turkish Cypriots. Turkey now is not even pretending to consider the so called 'trnc' as an independent country and is treating northern Cyprus as if it were just another province of Turkey.
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Postby Hermes » Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:05 am

denizaksulu wrote:You gave Turkey the pretext it was seeking - unfortunately for both sides.


That is one of the myths of the Turkish invasion that needs to be dispelled. If by "pretext" you mean the 1974 coup then it is worth remembering that it was instigated by Greek fascists from Athens and their henchmen with US backing in order to depose Makarios.

I am sick and tired of Turkish Cypriots who imply that the Turkish invasion and ethnic cleansing which followed were some kind of collective punishment for an event which, in reality, only a handful of deluded thugs were involved in, was not supported by the overwhelming majority of G/Cs and whose intention was the overthrow of the legitimate ROC government.

Turkey's only justification as a guarantor power was to restore the legal government and to preserve the territorial integrity of the ROC. Not to expel the majority population then partition, occupy and exploit the country. It is time T/Cs distanced themselves from the barbarism that was committed in their name. Judging from the recent protests it looks like some are at least willing to do so...
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:07 am

Hermes wrote:That is one of the myths of the Turkish invasion that needs to be dispelled. If by "pretext" you mean the 1974 coup then it is worth remembering that it was instigated by Greek fascists from Athens and their henchmen with US backing in order to depose Makarios.

Is that a fancy way of saying…

“The legitimate 7 year old government of Greece recognized by all and sundry!”

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Postby Hermes » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:15 am

Even some Turks think Erdogan has lost the plot:

Tahrir Square? Don’t overlook İnönü Square in Nicosia

Cyprus is back on Turkey’s agenda again; this time, however, in a quite different way. The banner of the meeting held on Jan. 28 which tens of thousands of Turco-Cypriots attended was “Societal Existence”… What could that mean? It means “We don’t want to be the 82nd province of Turkey, we want to exist as Cypriots otherwise we won’t exist anymore!” This is the first protest held in Cyprus since 1974 that gathered so many people under such a banner. Starting with the government, everyone should pay attention to this development as the second mass demonstration is announced for Wednesday, March 2.

Turco-Cypriots are complaining about becoming increasingly foreigners in their own land. This is not a kind of feeling that can be simply read as ingratitude toward Turkey, nor can it be answered by arrogance of a colonialist sort. Because if no precautionary measures are taken, the disturbance might turn into hot encounters between islanders and mainlanders.

Dead end

In Turkey, expertise on Cyprus falls under the Foreign Ministry’s monopoly and therefore it is shaped by the state interest and “vision.” Since the declaration of independence of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus in 1983, the expertise is translated into practice. The tutelage of Turkish state institutions over northern Cyprus is perhaps unprecedented even in Turkey.

This state of affairs has dragged the government into a dead end. Years ago, on Jan. 24, 2004, Prime Minister Erdoğan broke up the 30-year-old state practice and took a very courageous step concerning the Cyprus question. This step, however, was too late coming after the rejection of the first Annan Plan by Turkey in 2003, opening the way for the Republic of Cyprus to become an EU member state without being reunited with the north. As a consequence Greco-Cypriots rejected the Annan Plan in the 2004 referendum whereby the Erdoğan initiative became totally idle. As of then, some EU member states that are against Turkey’s membership have become voluntary allies of southern Cyprus. Overall the EU watched helplessly as Greek Cyprus exploiting membership rights against Turkey and northern Cyprus in all circumstances. Ankara has chosen to deal with such a dilemma by shying away from the EU accession talks and Cyprus reunification talks. In terms of northern Cyprus, it was just such a policy that laid the groundwork for today’s social explosion.

Adding fuel to the flame

Reactions of the prime minister and top officials of the ruling Justice and Development Party, or AKP, to the Jan. 28 protest were not logical. Firstly, the prime minister refrained from giving the same blessing he gave to Egyptians to Turco-Cypriots. Quite to the contrary his insulting and threatening style of communication has potential to make things worse. Today even the most devoted AKP supporters on the island are angry and feel offended.

Secondly, the military, strategic and nationalistic emphasis of the prime minister makes everything more problematic. When he disdains the Cyprus flag shown at the meeting he forgets that the same flag is engraved in Greek Cypriot passports that are held by almost every Turco-Cypriot. Besides it was designed by a Turco-Cypriot at the time!

There is not a single expert emphasizing the so-called strategic significance of the island for Turkey.

The Greek dominion over the Republic of Cyprus was probably heard for the first time ever by Greece and the rest of the world.

The martyrdom rhetoric is far from useful for settling the burning issues of northern Cyprus today.

Thirdly is the lack of information and more importantly misinterpretation of the underlying economic problem. For days, data has been published about the amount of credit, subsidies and donations Turkey gives to northern Cyprus, and on defense expenditures. First of all, no matter how high the credit or donations are, Turkey is paying the price for the isolation of northern Cyprus. And as long as the status quo continues, it will continue to do so. In the other hand, money given to northern Cyprus is also being spent for Turks who were moved from Anatolia to northern Cyprus and whose population has now overtaken the Turco-Cypriots. In other words, Turkey is taking care of Turks who were sent by the mainland to Cyprus! In this sense, let me remind you that no census has been carried out in northern Cyprus for decades, for obvious reasons.

It is important to know that Turkey is approaching the end of the road in northern Cyprus. The removal of Turkish Ambassador Kaya Türkmen last Thursday and his replacement by a non-diplomat in charge of the austerity plan marks a turning point and a milestone on the road to de jure annexation. It shows the Turkish intent to not even pretend to consider northern Cyprus as an independent country and calls a spade a spade, or a protectorate a protectorate.


http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2011-02-11
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Postby humanist » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:40 am

Turkish Cypriot protesters can still demonstrate that Turkey's occupation is against their interests. It undermines Turkey's stated reason for being on the island - that they came to "protect" Turkish Cypriots.
that is another choice of course. Especially if you want a better life and more money to get by if you united and became a substantial minority group as opposed to becoming extinct.
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Postby Hermes » Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:54 am

humanist wrote:
Turkish Cypriot protesters can still demonstrate that Turkey's occupation is against their interests. It undermines Turkey's stated reason for being on the island - that they came to "protect" Turkish Cypriots.
that is another choice of course. Especially if you want a better life and more money to get by if you united and became a substantial minority group as opposed to becoming extinct.


Apparently the plonkers aren't holding their next protest for another three weeks! It took the Egyptians 18 days to bring down Mubarak. I guess the T/Cs have decided to have a tea-break.

At least it gives VP plenty of time to make up his banner "One Turk Out, One Turk In". Is there going to be a settler counter-demonstration or is VP going to be on his own?
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Postby Jerry » Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:06 am

And here's the reason Erdogan is putting the squeeze on the "trnc" from today's Zaman: -


Turkey’s current account deficit jumped in December by 247.7 percent from a year earlier, posting a two-decade-high of TL 48.56 billion, the Central Bank of Turkey said on Friday.
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-235376- ... -2010.html

And Turkey doesn't need the EU? :lol:

How much worse would things be without the existing EU Customs Union?

Looks like Turkey can't really afford to keep its colony - time to give it up methinks.
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