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Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:48 am

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Bananiot wrote:Foreigners and people who are different in general have always been easy targets for nationalists and fascists. They are held responsible for all the maladies of the societies in which they live in. However, there is nothing worse than a foreigner living in the UK or the USA, exhibiting racist behaviour against fellow foreigners and at the same time condemning the country that gave them education and supports them financial. Spreading rumours in forums about improper behaviour of foreigners is also despicable. This is because rumours are the great seducers of reason. Such people are found aplenty in this forum.

Can anyone name a few?


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You louse, Yialousa,
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Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:51 am

kurupetos wrote:The US is a police state, where the national security is used as an excuse to limit the human rights of its citizens.

A country of 300 million people who are "represented" in the Congress with only two political parties. Is this joke a democracy? Is this the future we want for Cyprus/EU?

Multiculturalism is an excuse for Jews and their likes to control us through their banks and multinational corporations. :twisted:


and another racist rears his head....
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Postby kurupetos » Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:49 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
kurupetos wrote:The US is a police state, where the national security is used as an excuse to limit the human rights of its citizens.

A country of 300 million people who are "represented" in the Congress with only two political parties. Is this joke a democracy? Is this the future we want for Cyprus/EU?

Multiculturalism is an excuse for Jews and their likes to control us through their banks and multinational corporations. :twisted:


and another racist rears his head....


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Postby Filitsa » Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:50 pm

Is one racist if he were to state his observations of a particular ethnic group or race?

Is one racist if he were to state his observations of a particular ethnic group or race, and at the same time, be the first to lend a helping hand to a member of the same group/race in a time of need?
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Postby Klik » Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:55 pm

Bananiot wrote:Here is one typical response of a racist:

Me racist? My best friend is a black man.


I have black friends too.. so? Is BLACK COLOUR A RACE NOW? :roll: Are you a hater deep inside? :lol:

I have Far East Asian friends too... So?

Dig up why "racism" exists, search Trotsky, then check the status of the world as of now and you'll have your answers...

Borders have been set up for a reason :!: Migration should be allowed and encouraged, but there's a LIMIT.
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:33 pm

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wyoming cowboy wrote:how can you say that there is no culture in the usa, when the nation has history customs and traditions. A culture that invents has intellectual thinkers and is an example for the world. Could it be that cultures like Britain and France have a history of bigotry and racism thats hard to overcome therefore ostrocizes minority groups and makes them radical, much like the radical black american groups of the 60's and early 70's......


Howdy, Cowboy! ( :roll: ) As I'm sure you know, culture is more than history, customs, and traditions. Culture also includes language, cuisine, religion, and the visual and performing arts. The best way to identify American culture is to take a look at what we "export" as culture to other countries. That would be fast food, rap, and hollywood. How often does one see an "authentic American Restaurant" while travelling abroad? I'll bet that no other country in the world has the variety of ethnic eating establishments that we do in the U.S.

Indeed the U.S. has history, but what are its customs and traditions other than perhaps fireworks on Fourth of July? Our language originated in England. Just as ethnic cuisine is numerous and varied, we sport a variety of religions and religious denominations. Yes, we have artists and genres unique to America, but the bottom line is that American culture is multiculturalism.


The culture of the USA, is unique, in that there is variety, there are no roots, that permeate into the ground for thousands of years. American music pop/rap/jazz is heard in every corner of the world, Hollywood movies are everywhere, the gangster, the cowboy the slang of the english language that i even heard cypriot kids use in cyprus. The point is that a El Salvadorean kid in Brooklyn can be on a corner and rapping, or a white kid playing jazz. The usa is not a multicultured society as you may think, but a melting pot where different cultures melt into one. What custom or traditions do the French have or Italians have that cant be compared to what the Americans call tradition.?

Even High Fashion someone said, originates in New York and then spreads to France and Italy...


Further, an El Salvadorean kid can be heard rapping on a street corner in El Salvadore. I really can't dispute anything you wrote above except that I never bought into the melting pot concept, not when immigrant groups create their own little enclaves within a city. Although, I suppose they melt into the community when, after several generations, they move to the suburbs

I'd like to answer your question about French and Italian versus American traditions, but you'll need to identify/define American tradition for me first. I ask again, what is American tradition? I was born and raised here, and I still don't know.

Finally, Milan has trumped NYC as the fashion capital of the world, thank goodness. Italians have better taste.



By definition a tradition is a customary pattern or thought action, or behavior(as a religious practice or social custom), the handling down of information, beliefs, and customs by word of mouth or by example from one generation to another without written instructions. Cultural continuity in social attitudes, customs, and institutions. Characteristic manner, method and or style.

After all these years of living here in the usa you cant see through the definition above that there are customs and traditions unique to the usa. And if Italians have better taste last year when they trumpeted NY, where was their great taste the past 50 years, did they just acquire it?

Most of the world's uniculturistic countries have one very important difference then that of America, and that is the rest of the world thinks in the group,ie(Greeks,Italians,German, christian muslim etc..etc..), here in the usa its all about the individual..Individual rights, individual inspiration, individual thought.

In european countries this concept does not exist or is it nurtured. thats why you see the problems in france with the migrant workers and in greece. The group matters in europe and the individual matters in America.

and with french and italian cuisine, its good, but american cuisine is just as good and in instances a lot better.
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Postby kurupetos » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:39 pm

wyoming cowboy wrote:
Filitsa wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:
Filitsa wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:how can you say that there is no culture in the usa, when the nation has history customs and traditions. A culture that invents has intellectual thinkers and is an example for the world. Could it be that cultures like Britain and France have a history of bigotry and racism thats hard to overcome therefore ostrocizes minority groups and makes them radical, much like the radical black american groups of the 60's and early 70's......


Howdy, Cowboy! ( :roll: ) As I'm sure you know, culture is more than history, customs, and traditions. Culture also includes language, cuisine, religion, and the visual and performing arts. The best way to identify American culture is to take a look at what we "export" as culture to other countries. That would be fast food, rap, and hollywood. How often does one see an "authentic American Restaurant" while travelling abroad? I'll bet that no other country in the world has the variety of ethnic eating establishments that we do in the U.S.

Indeed the U.S. has history, but what are its customs and traditions other than perhaps fireworks on Fourth of July? Our language originated in England. Just as ethnic cuisine is numerous and varied, we sport a variety of religions and religious denominations. Yes, we have artists and genres unique to America, but the bottom line is that American culture is multiculturalism.


The culture of the USA, is unique, in that there is variety, there are no roots, that permeate into the ground for thousands of years. American music pop/rap/jazz is heard in every corner of the world, Hollywood movies are everywhere, the gangster, the cowboy the slang of the english language that i even heard cypriot kids use in cyprus. The point is that a El Salvadorean kid in Brooklyn can be on a corner and rapping, or a white kid playing jazz. The usa is not a multicultured society as you may think, but a melting pot where different cultures melt into one. What custom or traditions do the French have or Italians have that cant be compared to what the Americans call tradition.?

Even High Fashion someone said, originates in New York and then spreads to France and Italy...


Further, an El Salvadorean kid can be heard rapping on a street corner in El Salvadore. I really can't dispute anything you wrote above except that I never bought into the melting pot concept, not when immigrant groups create their own little enclaves within a city. Although, I suppose they melt into the community when, after several generations, they move to the suburbs

I'd like to answer your question about French and Italian versus American traditions, but you'll need to identify/define American tradition for me first. I ask again, what is American tradition? I was born and raised here, and I still don't know.

Finally, Milan has trumped NYC as the fashion capital of the world, thank goodness. Italians have better taste.



By definition a tradition is a customary pattern or thought action, or behavior(as a religious practice or social custom), the handling down of information, beliefs, and customs by word of mouth or by example from one generation to another without written instructions. Cultural continuity in social attitudes, customs, and institutions. Characteristic manner, method and or style.

After all these years of living here in the usa you cant see through the definition above that there are customs and traditions unique to the usa. And if Italians have better taste last year when they trumpeted NY, where was their great taste the past 50 years, did they just acquire it?

Most of the world's uniculturistic countries have one very important difference then that of America, and that is the rest of the world thinks in the group,ie(Greeks,Italians,German, christian muslim etc..etc..), here in the usa its all about the individual..Individual rights, individual inspiration, individual thought.

In european countries this concept does not exist or is it nurtured. thats why you see the problems in france with the migrant workers and in greece. The group matters in europe and the individual matters in America.

and with french and italian cuisine, its good, but american cuisine is just as good and in instances a lot better.


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Postby Filitsa » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:53 am

wyoming cowboy wrote: By definition a tradition is a customary pattern or thought action, or behavior(as a religious practice or social custom), the handling down of information, beliefs, and customs by word of mouth or by example from one generation to another without written instructions. Cultural continuity in social attitudes, customs, and institutions. Characteristic manner, method and or style.

After all these years of living here in the usa you cant see through the definition above that there are customs and traditions unique to the usa. And if Italians have better taste last year when they trumpeted NY, where was their great taste the past 50 years, did they just acquire it?

Most of the world's uniculturistic countries have one very important difference then that of America, and that is the rest of the world thinks in the group,ie(Greeks,Italians,German, christian muslim etc..etc..), here in the usa its all about the individual..Individual rights, individual inspiration, individual thought.

In european countries this concept does not exist or is it nurtured. thats why you see the problems in france with the migrant workers and in greece. The group matters in europe and the individual matters in America.

and with french and italian cuisine, its good, but american cuisine is just as good and in instances a lot better.


For the third time, I'm telling you, Cowboy, I can't, so for the third time, kindly help me out and elaborate on American tradition ... other than fireworks on 4th of July.

Milan has been on top of the fashion scene all my life, and I'm no spring chicken.
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:25 am

Thanksgiving for one, Filitsa, what other culture or tradition that you know of celebrates a day of thanks, it originated here in the usa...i think canada has it also..... i dont know if you can call it custom or tradition, but Teamwork is purely an American concept......Getting back to the Pilgrims and thanksgiving, what did they teach you in elementary school abut the pilgrims "....that they came to the new world to escape persecution for their religious beliefs" transfer that concept to the American tradition of freedom of religion, freedom of speech, The Bill of Rights. the American constitution. That should help anyone understand what an American tradition is. Self reliance, the American being in the middle of a homestead in Kansas two hundred years ago with noone around to ask for help......when your plowing your wheat. Dont these concepts ring a bell they should. from these concepts a nation develops their traditions and customs. The Cowboy,Billy the Kid, The Corporate raiders on Wall Street. Womens rights, Civil Rights, another concept that has led the social culture here in the usa to develop traditions and customs. Martin Luther King Day, what other custom from another country do you know of where one celebrates the revolutionary spirit of a leader of a minority group....to win rights for his people.

Do you think Cyprus is anywhere close to having a Rauf Denktas day!!!! or England having a Mahatma Gandhi day!!!


Let me ask you a question What Greek tradition or custom is not related to the Orthodox Christian religion?
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:33 am

And if you think that steak tartar or spinach filled ravioli is a sign of a superior culture or cuisine thats above all else then you are incorrect...

Ill take a nicely cooked Virginia Honey Baked Ham or a freshly cooked piece of Fried Chicken in the middle of a plate of blackeyed peas anyday.....Dont even get me started on a AAAUSDA New York Strip steak at Peter Luger's, nowhere else can anyone in the world walk into a place get a steak like that dressed in Levis' and flip flops and pay $150 a head...you know what im talking about
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