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Too late for Turkish Cypriots to negotiate the 1963 ideas?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:42 am

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I read with great care what you wrote. I will try and address one by one your concerns, fears, feelings [over the weekend], but in all honesty I already know it to be a futile exercise when it comes to you personally. I will do it however (not tonight) for the sake of others who follow us here and may be interested to know what the answers are from a gCypriot.


Should be interesting.

A majority of tCypriots living in Cyprus is being composed as we speak who are already pushing their leaders, not necessarily the "elected" ones, in the direction of a compromise, an honorable and fair compromise influenced by the logical principles contained in the 1963 document.


Where who??? do yo make this up as you go along?

Time is running out for the tCypriots, I think we can all agree on that point. However, with Christofias at the helm, you can still expect a very fair negotiation, no matter the developments in the illegally occupied land of Cyprus.


You are deluded nothing is running out and you are no closer to a solution today than you were 30 years ago.



As I have stated many times, a BBF based on 1960's "equality" and "logic" will be twice as bad as 1960. It will never be accepted by gCypriots. That leaves occupied Cyprus as a huge thorn on Turkey's back & your community in shambles (at least the remains thereof on the island).


Turkey has stated many times that it will always choose the TRNc over EU if forced to choose, now you have realized how important it is to her strategically.

There is one thing perhaps that escapes you. The winds have changed and they are behind Cyprus' sails. The question is fast becoming not 'what are Turkey's strategic interests in Cyprus', but with Turkey making "illogical" choices on various fronts, it becomes 'what are the EU's and the USA's, in short the west's, interests in Cyprus?'. Cyprus's Turkeyish problem becomes the west's problem. With the west feeling uneasy about Turkey, then it becomes your problem as well. Am I getting the point across?


Keep stabbing in the dark nothing will change and no one gives a hoot about your problems or they would have helped you many years ago, they know you are just as guilty as the next man.

Last (for this first brief response), your unwillingness to address the Kurdish issue of Turkey and compare it to your own situation speaks volumes. The last thing you want is for the simple comparison to be made.


I have expressed my opinion they should get their own country and not be forced to live with Turks just as we should be allowed our own state, do you support both us and the Kurds?

Read about it on my blog http://antifon.blogspot.com & do not be alarmed when soon heavy-weight officials from the EU, which you don't like but that is totally irrelevant in the greater scheme of things, will raise the comparison in order to kill two birds with one stone, politely suggesting to Turkey that messing in other people's internal affairs gives them the very same right, especially when her problem, the Kurdish, resembles greatly Cyprus' Turkeyish problem.


Even more pie in the sky you have a very vivid imagination, nothing will change.



Do you feel that will upset Erdogan? IMHO it will.


The one minutes man doesnt seem to give a shit about you people and your problems.

The world is changing my friend.
Have a good night!


The world is changing but you can bank on the Cyprus issue staying the same for as long as GCs keep thinking the way they do we are safe.
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Postby antifon » Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:34 am

Viewpoint wrote:antifon
I read with great care what you wrote. I will try and address one by one your concerns, fears, feelings [over the weekend], but in all honesty I already know it to be a futile exercise when it comes to you personally. I will do it however (not tonight) for the sake of others who follow us here and may be interested to know what the answers are from a gCypriot.


Should be interesting.

A majority of tCypriots living in Cyprus is being composed as we speak who are already pushing their leaders, not necessarily the "elected" ones, in the direction of a compromise, an honorable and fair compromise influenced by the logical principles contained in the 1963 document.


Where who??? do yo make this up as you go along?

Time is running out for the tCypriots, I think we can all agree on that point. However, with Christofias at the helm, you can still expect a very fair negotiation, no matter the developments in the illegally occupied land of Cyprus.


You are deluded nothing is running out and you are no closer to a solution today than you were 30 years ago.



As I have stated many times, a BBF based on 1960's "equality" and "logic" will be twice as bad as 1960. It will never be accepted by gCypriots. That leaves occupied Cyprus as a huge thorn on Turkey's back & your community in shambles (at least the remains thereof on the island).


Turkey has stated many times that it will always choose the TRNc over EU if forced to choose, now you have realized how important it is to her strategically.

There is one thing perhaps that escapes you. The winds have changed and they are behind Cyprus' sails. The question is fast becoming not 'what are Turkey's strategic interests in Cyprus', but with Turkey making "illogical" choices on various fronts, it becomes 'what are the EU's and the USA's, in short the west's, interests in Cyprus?'. Cyprus's Turkeyish problem becomes the west's problem. With the west feeling uneasy about Turkey, then it becomes your problem as well. Am I getting the point across?


Keep stabbing in the dark nothing will change and no one gives a hoot about your problems or they would have helped you many years ago, they know you are just as guilty as the next man.

Last (for this first brief response), your unwillingness to address the Kurdish issue of Turkey and compare it to your own situation speaks volumes. The last thing you want is for the simple comparison to be made.


I have expressed my opinion they should get their own country and not be forced to live with Turks just as we should be allowed our own state, do you support both us and the Kurds?

Read about it on my blog http://antifon.blogspot.com & do not be alarmed when soon heavy-weight officials from the EU, which you don't like but that is totally irrelevant in the greater scheme of things, will raise the comparison in order to kill two birds with one stone, politely suggesting to Turkey that messing in other people's internal affairs gives them the very same right, especially when her problem, the Kurdish, resembles greatly Cyprus' Turkeyish problem.


Even more pie in the sky you have a very vivid imagination, nothing will change.



Do you feel that will upset Erdogan? IMHO it will.


The one minutes man doesnt seem to give a shit about you people and your problems.

The world is changing my friend.
Have a good night!


The world is changing but you can bank on the Cyprus issue staying the same for as long as GCs keep thinking the way they do we are safe.





I am sorry to inform you that you are making some very wrong assumptions, not least of which are:

1. that Turkey is strong

2. that Turkey will be allowed to trade EU for Cyprus

3. that the EU is weak

4. that The EU does not have strategic interests in the Cyprus Republic

5. that it is business as usual

6. that the EU will not start meddling in Turkey's affairs and its own majority minority relations

7. that it is all part of my imagination


Viewpoint, you will enjoy my latest brief post:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/02/what-mess.html


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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:47 pm

Morning the above comments mean absolutely nothing because they produce no resullts you have not regained one inch of the north since you whored yorselves out to the "superpower" you claim is the EU.

Please address the issues and not make excuses for not doing so.

As for the new Turkish ambassador to the TRNC he will only add to the problem of TC unrest if he is not careful, they may take an unprecedented move and physically throw this guy out of office. Then we will see some fireworks.
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Postby quattro » Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:11 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Morning the above comments mean absolutely nothing because they produce no resullts you have not regained one inch of the north since you whored yorselves out to the "superpower" you claim is the EU.

Please address the issues and not make excuses for not doing so.

As for the new Turkish ambassador to the TRNC he will only add to the problem of TC unrest if he is not careful, they may take an unprecedented move and physically throw this guy out of office. Then we will see some fireworks.


VP throwing him out of the office, it will seems that you throw Turkey out of the window do you accept that move :?: :shock: :shock:
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Postby ZoC » Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:40 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Morning the above comments mean absolutely nothing because they produce no resullts you have not regained one inch of the north since you whored yorselves out to the "superpower" you claim is the EU.

Please address the issues and not make excuses for not doing so.

As for the new Turkish ambassador to the TRNC he will only add to the problem of TC unrest if he is not careful, they may take an unprecedented move and physically throw this guy out of office. Then we will see some fireworks.


r u threatening turkey? mind ur step. turks don't take kindly to idle threats.

u'd better have the balls to follow through or face serious humiliation.

now, at long, long last, we're gonna see the size of tc archithkia.
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Postby antifon » Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:55 pm

ZoC wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Morning the above comments mean absolutely nothing because they produce no resullts you have not regained one inch of the north since you whored yorselves out to the "superpower" you claim is the EU.

Please address the issues and not make excuses for not doing so.

As for the new Turkish ambassador to the TRNC he will only add to the problem of TC unrest if he is not careful, they may take an unprecedented move and physically throw this guy out of office. Then we will see some fireworks.


r u threatening turkey? mind ur step. turks don't take kindly to idle threats.

u'd better have the balls to follow through or face serious humiliation.

now, at long, long last, we're gonna see the size of tc archithkia.




tCypriots, the majority, know deep down:

1. they cannot have a "state" because they do not have land
2. gCypriots are all they have short of extincion
3. they must drop the hypocrisy act and acknowledge 1960 was a farce
4. their best option is to negotiate their way back to the Republic

1963!
I hope I see, aside from RoC flags, some 'Nov30 1963' signs.

We are ready to respect you as a community if you are willing to respect us just the same!

http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/pre ... osals.html

I agree that threatening Turkey is not wise!

http://antifon.blogspot.com
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:06 pm

antifon wrote:I agree that threatening Turkey is not wise!

:shock: Since when is a brave Spartan afraid of getting whooped? Image
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Postby antifon » Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:16 pm

Get Real! wrote:
antifon wrote:I agree that threatening Turkey is not wise!

:shock: Since when is a brave Spartan afraid of getting whooped? Image



It is not a matter of fear. Rather of intelligence, selecting the type of war and the time. Turkey has been reduced to a size smaller than Cyprus and there is no way in hell she is gonna come out victorious.

http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/02/what-clown.html
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:04 pm

Viewpoint wrote:As for the new Turkish ambassador to the TRNC he will only add to the problem of TC unrest if he is not careful, they may take an unprecedented move and physically throw this guy out of office. Then we will see some fireworks.


He is not an Ambassador. He's not even a politician. But he is just about the most appropriate person to send to the north to handle Turkey's affairs financially for an occupying power. Even Turkey is beginning not to recognise her own creation, the "trnc", hence not sending a full Ambassador to the north.

When I think about it, I always felt sorry for all those Ambassadors who were sent to the north before. I mean, what kind of a screw up does a politician in Turkey needs to do to be punished by sending them to a post to a unrecognised and legally invalid location to represent his/her country of Turkey. Surely, a 10 year jail sentence in Turkey would have looked much better on their CV when they applied for a new job upon their release from jail than have a "trnc's" ambassadorship on their record.!
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:48 pm

quattro wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Morning the above comments mean absolutely nothing because they produce no resullts you have not regained one inch of the north since you whored yorselves out to the "superpower" you claim is the EU.

Please address the issues and not make excuses for not doing so.

As for the new Turkish ambassador to the TRNC he will only add to the problem of TC unrest if he is not careful, they may take an unprecedented move and physically throw this guy out of office. Then we will see some fireworks.


VP throwing him out of the office, it will seems that you throw Turkey out of the window do you accept that move :?: :shock: :shock:


If you throw petrol on fire what happens? but in all honesty the push over TC attitude will prevail and all will just blow over.
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