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[ZoC]

Interest read, are you asking us to give away our rights as given to us by the 1960 international agreements? is it Akritas 2? are you asking for a unitary state where everyone returns to their original properties?

can you do that vp or you still have the fears of the past........... and some skeletons in your closet .

Why should we? you are asking us to become a minority in a GC state, do you think that fair?

no. it's arithmetic.

[Viewpoint]

if this was "akritas1" imagine "akritas2"

Totally disagree with this.

[quattro]

read the book with open mind vp and i believe you will agree with it . as i agree with our faults
http://vimeo.com/4092804

[Viewpoint]

read the book with open mind vp and i believe you will agree with it . as i agree with our faults
http://vimeo.com/4092804

I have listened to this guy before hes biased and a paid agent of the GCs.

[antifon]

Interest read, are you asking us to give away our rights as given to us by the 1960 international agreements? is it Akritas 2? are you asking for a unitary state where everyone returns to their original properties?

Thank you for going through the trouble.

I am asking you to consider this: could it be that certain of the clauses of 1960 are the very root of the suffering which ensued?

I am asking you to accept that gCypriots, 4 out of 5 Cypriots, feel that 1960 is unjust & no federation or other model will be accepted if either the injustice of 1960 is carried forward or the injustice of 1974, the so called current realities, are allowed to persist.

Everyone has the human right to return to their homes, villages and towns. The exercise thereof must be given due consideration.
We must not disagree here.

I am asking you to consider whether a unitary state, an evolved 1960, is an easier transition than any Annan plan & that tCypriots will benefit faster if they direct their thinking in tweaking 1960 in such a way so as to safeguard all their legitimate rights (not necessarily identical to 1960 rights). A 1960-like solution will also be more digestible by gCypriots.

In no Cypriot mind should a line, green or other, be allowed to exist. The line is artificial and if we accept it we are accepting to carry forward the mistakes of the past.

As much as I hate the messenger (or is it his attire?) his 1963 message was both urgent and honest. It contains principles that tCypriots must revisit anew. They contain mainstream gCypriot thinking. If you wish to understand the gCypriot soul, then you must study this docuemnt and ask yourself:

Knowing what I know now, if I was given the opportunity to accept/ reject/ debate the 1963 document's ideas, or add my own, how would I go about doing it?

I urge you to study it carefully:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/pre ... osals.html

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[quattro]

read the book with open mind vp and i believe you will agree with it . as i agree with our faults
http://vimeo.com/4092804

I have listened to this guy before hes biased and a paid agent of the GCs.

So everything that does not suits you is biased vp
the man is telling the truth and if you read the book you will find it out your self also ask Yfred if you like.

in my believe his is the most impartial /unbiased person ever who wrote a book about Cyprus .

[Viewpoint]

antifon you do not really answer my questions but I will try truthfully to answer yours.

I am asking you to consider this: could it be that certain of the clauses of 1960 are the very root of the suffering which ensued?

Why were those clauses put there? please ask yourself...they were a direct result of previous actions and an effort to ensure neither side dominated the other.

I am asking you to accept that gCypriots, 4 out of 5 Cypriots, feel that 1960 is unjust & no federation or other model will be accepted if either the injustice of 1960 is carried forward or the injustice of 1974, the so called current realities, are allowed to persist.

But the content you wish have removed is there for specific reasons, we want to be partners not a minority in a GC state, we will not be dominated pushed to one side ever again no TC will accept what you are asking they feel so strongly they would rather officially unite with Turkey. A BBF is middle ground.

Everyone has the human right to return to their homes, villages and towns. The exercise thereof must be given due consideration.
We must not disagree here.

This is desired by all but impossible in practice everything has changed some people both TCs and GCs will have to accept compensation.

I am asking you to consider whether a unitary state, an evolved 1960, is an easier transition than any Annan plan & that tCypriots will benefit faster if they direct their thinking in tweaking 1960 in such a way so as to safeguard all their legitimate rights (not necessarily identical to 1960 rights). A 1960-like solution will also be more digestible by gCypriots.

TCs would under no circumstances accept a unitary state, to much water has passed under the bridge, there has to be a 2 state solution under a federal structure with one international identity, where each individual can choose to live in either the north or south state, why is this so unacceptable that's what's being negotiated as we speak, that tells me that the GCs are not genuine in the contribution to finding a solution based on BBF with political equality.

In no Cypriot mind should a line, green or other, be allowed to exist. The line is artificial and if we accept it we are accepting to carry forward the mistakes of the past.

You are living in a dream world if you think the two sides will go backwards to the 1960s and live mixed together, there has to be a 2 state solution, we do not have to have controls when crossing but this factor reflects safety for the TCs and they will never let go of it.

As much as I hate the messenger (or is it his attire?) his 1963 message was both urgent and honest. It contains principles that tCypriots must revisit anew. They contain mainstream gCypriot thinking. If you wish to understand the gCypriot soul, then you must study this docuemnt and ask yourself:

Do you believe that we can accept what we see as the start of the collapse of the "RoC" this is to difficult a psychological barrier for Tcs to get over, they will never accept giving away their rights as envisaged by your document.

Knowing what I know now, if I was given the opportunity to accept/ reject/ debate the 1963 document's ideas, or add my own, how would I go about doing it?

For this reason alone "The right of veto of the President and the Vice-President of the Republic to be abandoned" your proposals will be rejected time and time again, its like asking us to sign our own death warrant we will not do it.

[Viewpoint]

read the book with open mind vp and i believe you will agree with it . as i agree with our faults
http://vimeo.com/4092804

I have listened to this guy before hes biased and a paid agent of the GCs.

So everything that does not suits you is biased vp
the man is telling the truth and if you read the book you will find it out your self also ask Yfred if you like.

in my believe his is the most impartial /unbiased person ever who wrote a book about Cyprus .

Truth only according to this man.

[quattro]

read the book with open mind vp and i believe you will agree with it . as i agree with our faults
http://vimeo.com/4092804

I have listened to this guy before hes biased and a paid agent of the GCs.

So everything that does not suits you is biased vp
the man is telling the truth and if you read the book you will find it out your self also ask Yfred if you like.

in my believe his is the most impartial /unbiased person ever who wrote a book about Cyprus .

Truth only according to this man.

if you knew facts from eye witness and you read the book you will see the light dear.

[quattro]

read the book with open mind vp and i believe you will agree with it . as i agree with our faults
http://vimeo.com/4092804

I have listened to this guy before hes biased and a paid agent of the GCs.

So everything that does not suits you is biased vp
the man is telling the truth and if you read the book you will find it out your self also ask Yfred if you like.

in my believe his is the most impartial /unbiased person ever who wrote a book about Cyprus .

Truth only according to this man.

if you knew facts from eye witness and you read the book you will see the light dear.

after all he is a brit why should I BELIEVED HIM . but i do. cause i know is the truth .