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[BirKibrisli]

Bir said: "Erdogan has now openly declared that Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus,and she is not going to hand over one inch of the North"

Y0ou forget Bir that there never was any intentio to hand back any land. Even under the Annan abortion the return was for 7 per cent of the island, ie about the size of the buffer zone. While opening the door for claims on the Dhekeli base.

And you overlooked that Erdoghan said "Turkey has strategic interests like Greece has". Who legitimised who in this little, supposedly angry, statement? He has given Greece more legitimisation in Cyprus than it ever had since July 1974.

Yes,dear Nikitas...as long as Turkey insists that Greece has strategic interests in Cyprus,and the world believe it,Turkey doesnt have to remove one single soldier...Do not make the mistake of underestimating the cunningness of Erdogan and his foreign minister...I keep warning you that unless you force Turkey's hand by agreeing to a fair and lasting settlement of the Cyprus problem you are strengthening Erdogan's hand on Cyprus...Time is not working in GC interest as most of you believe...Each passing year only makes the status quo more legitimate in world opinion...Combine that with Turkey's growing economic and political influence in the region and you have a potential fait accomplie...Time for complacency is long past...It is now time for realism,and a realistic solution for Cyprob.

What you call "realistic solution", is worst than what we have today. Do you really think we will accept some solution which will be bad for us, so you can finally have a recognized "Turkish State" in Cyprus, and so you and Turkey can get in EU? What you call "realistic solution" is not realistic at all because there is no chance in a billion we will ever accept such thing and therefore it will never become a reality.

We will help keep Turkey out of EU, and push her to become an Islamic Republic. At that point you will lose the support of the Americans and you can kiss goodbye not just Cyprus, but also half of what you today call "Turkey", which will become the independent Republic of Kurdistan.

You are simply walking into Turkey's arms with your eyes closed,ears shut and mouth wide open,with your brain in neutral...You keep this up and the whole of Cyprus will inevitable become a tiny state of the Federated Democratic Islamic Republic of Greater Turkey!!! Don't say I didnt warn you!

[BirKibrisli]

Bir, one way or another its almost "game over" for the TCs as well - hence the "revolt" Turkey may have felt it was surounded by Greek islands 40 years ago but within the EU that is of no consequence. Turkey is hanging on to the island to keep the military quiet for the time being. As power wanes from the generals towards the government so the need to stay recedes. Future setbacks in the Turkish economy will be blamed on the fact that the EU membership was forsaken in favour of a few thousand TCs, then you will see Turkey change its attitude towards both the EU and the ungrateful ones.

There was an interesting translation from a mainland newspaper here below.
Perhaps it gives an idea why, in addition to “strategic” reasons, Turkey conquered the north
Starts at message 45, translation further down.

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/55525.asp


We did not love saving the TCs we loved capturing the land. We gave them peace and security is just pretend. As sons of Ottomons we loved conquering for the first time in 300 years. Hatay does not count, we did not fire a single bullet for that.

We did not see them as the saved, we see them as captured. Gave us a superiority complex to suppress our inferiority complex

I can't argue with you ,.Jerry...That is why i keep saying you are cutting off your nose to spite your face...You didnt want to share power with 120,000 TCs according to the 1960 Constitution,now you are paying the price! Turkey will never get into the EU,and will never get out of Cyprus without a war! when you finally make the ultimate mistake of using arms against the trnc the whole of Cyprus will be captured,and not one finger will be lifted by anyone to help you...The game is over...The final chapter is not played out yet,but given all the indications,it will be in not so distant future!
I don't take any pleasure in writing this...

[Piratis]

Bir said: "Erdogan has now openly declared that Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus,and she is not going to hand over one inch of the North"

Y0ou forget Bir that there never was any intentio to hand back any land. Even under the Annan abortion the return was for 7 per cent of the island, ie about the size of the buffer zone. While opening the door for claims on the Dhekeli base.

And you overlooked that Erdoghan said "Turkey has strategic interests like Greece has". Who legitimised who in this little, supposedly angry, statement? He has given Greece more legitimisation in Cyprus than it ever had since July 1974.

Yes,dear Nikitas...as long as Turkey insists that Greece has strategic interests in Cyprus,and the world believe it,Turkey doesnt have to remove one single soldier...Do not make the mistake of underestimating the cunningness of Erdogan and his foreign minister...I keep warning you that unless you force Turkey's hand by agreeing to a fair and lasting settlement of the Cyprus problem you are strengthening Erdogan's hand on Cyprus...Time is not working in GC interest as most of you believe...Each passing year only makes the status quo more legitimate in world opinion...Combine that with Turkey's growing economic and political influence in the region and you have a potential fait accomplie...Time for complacency is long past...It is now time for realism,and a realistic solution for Cyprob.

What you call "realistic solution", is worst than what we have today. Do you really think we will accept some solution which will be bad for us, so you can finally have a recognized "Turkish State" in Cyprus, and so you and Turkey can get in EU? What you call "realistic solution" is not realistic at all because there is no chance in a billion we will ever accept such thing and therefore it will never become a reality.

We will help keep Turkey out of EU, and push her to become an Islamic Republic. At that point you will lose the support of the Americans and you can kiss goodbye not just Cyprus, but also half of what you today call "Turkey", which will become the independent Republic of Kurdistan.

You are simply walking into Turkey's arms with your eyes closed,ears shut and mouth wide open,with your brain in neutral...You keep this up and the whole of Cyprus will inevitable become a tiny state of the Federated Democratic Islamic Republic of Greater Turkey!!! Don't say I didnt warn you!

Good Job. I hope more Turks will start thinking like you. That is exactly what is needed.

Turks are known for their arrogance, what they need is a bit of push and then they will screw it up for themselves. Do you really think the USA and EU will allow some "Greater Islamic Turkey" to exist? Try, and then you will see what the result will be.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir, I do not for a minute understimate Erdoghan or Davut's cunning. The salient point here is the word cunning, as opposed to intelligenece. What started out as a policy of zero problems with their neighbors has seen instead the gradual growing hostility of neighbors in view of the grandiose and anachronistic neo-ottoman goals.

Turkey is stuck in a bind, it does not want to recognise Cypriotness, expressing this fossilised view through its refusal to rcognise the RoC and its treatment of the TCs. Therofore it tries desperately to define the situation as one of Greeks and Turks. A position that Greece managed to sidestep decades ago.

To come to the title of this tread. The situation challenges the GC side more than Turkey. Now is the time for high diplomacy, and definitely NOT for the attitude displayed in the title of the thread re "handouts" etc. Now is the time to show solidarity to the TCs but without inviting accusations against them that they are "colluding with the enemy". It is a tough call, but it could be done if the GC leadership can think out of the box for once.

A wise,sensitive,level-headed post,Nikitas...Thank you for writing it...If someone like you were in charge of the RoC,I am sure we would not be in this postition now...

[BirKibrisli]

Yes,dear Nikitas...as long as Turkey insists that Greece has strategic interests in Cyprus,and the world believe it,Turkey doesnt have to remove one single soldier...Do not make the mistake of underestimating the cunningness of Erdogan and his foreign minister...

why not? i think they're stupid. picking fights with our yiddisher friends proves it

I keep warning you that unless you force Turkey's hand by agreeing to a fair and lasting settlement of the Cyprus problem you are strengthening Erdogan's hand on Cyprus...Time is not working in GC interest as most of you believe...Each passing year only makes the status quo more legitimate in world opinion...Combine that with Turkey's growing economic and political influence in the region and you have a potential fait accomplie...Time for complacency is long past...It is now time for realism,and a realistic solution for Cyprob.

get lost. not interested. we'll kick u in that hole of doom, like king leonidas did to that stupid persian emissary, in the film '2000' (the scene which always makes yialoser cream his pants).

Your stupidity knows no bounds...This bloodyminded attitude is the real reason we are all in this shithole together,and it looks like you will kick us'in that hole of doom' and Turkey will make sure you will follow us there... You better start learning Turkish and get your dick ready for a bit of discount...There will be no escape for you and your like from that shithole until you give Turkey what Turkey wants...

What makes you think ZoC is a Cypriot?

What makes you think he is not???

[BirKibrisli]

Bir said: "Erdogan has now openly declared that Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus,and she is not going to hand over one inch of the North"

Y0ou forget Bir that there never was any intentio to hand back any land. Even under the Annan abortion the return was for 7 per cent of the island, ie about the size of the buffer zone. While opening the door for claims on the Dhekeli base.

And you overlooked that Erdoghan said "Turkey has strategic interests like Greece has". Who legitimised who in this little, supposedly angry, statement? He has given Greece more legitimisation in Cyprus than it ever had since July 1974.

Yes,dear Nikitas...as long as Turkey insists that Greece has strategic interests in Cyprus,and the world believe it,Turkey doesnt have to remove one single soldier...Do not make the mistake of underestimating the cunningness of Erdogan and his foreign minister...I keep warning you that unless you force Turkey's hand by agreeing to a fair and lasting settlement of the Cyprus problem you are strengthening Erdogan's hand on Cyprus...Time is not working in GC interest as most of you believe...Each passing year only makes the status quo more legitimate in world opinion...Combine that with Turkey's growing economic and political influence in the region and you have a potential fait accomplie...Time for complacency is long past...It is now time for realism,and a realistic solution for Cyprob.

What you call "realistic solution", is worst than what we have today. Do you really think we will accept some solution which will be bad for us, so you can finally have a recognized "Turkish State" in Cyprus, and so you and Turkey can get in EU? What you call "realistic solution" is not realistic at all because there is no chance in a billion we will ever accept such thing and therefore it will never become a reality.

We will help keep Turkey out of EU, and push her to become an Islamic Republic. At that point you will lose the support of the Americans and you can kiss goodbye not just Cyprus, but also half of what you today call "Turkey", which will become the independent Republic of Kurdistan.

You are simply walking into Turkey's arms with your eyes closed,ears shut and mouth wide open,with your brain in neutral...You keep this up and the whole of Cyprus will inevitable become a tiny state of the Federated Democratic Islamic Republic of Greater Turkey!!! Don't say I didnt warn you!

Good Job. I hope more Turks will start thinking like you. That is exactly what is needed.

Turks are known for their arrogance, what they need is a bit of push and then they will screw it up for themselves. Do you really think the USA and EU will allow some "Greater Islamic Turkey" to exist? Try, and then you will see what the result will be.

Piratis,you have shot yourself in the foot before,next time you will probably manage to blow out your brains,if you have any!

[Piratis]

When exactly did I shot myself in the foot Bir? Shooting myself would be voting for Annan plan that would officially divide Cyprus and give to the Turks the power to control the whole Cyprus. They were some brainless that did this, but fortunately they were a small minority.

You can count on me to take the right decisions that serve the interests of Cyprus, and none that serve the interests of the invaders.

[BirKibrisli]

When exactly did I shot myself in the foot Bir? Shooting myself would be voting for Annan plan that would officially divide Cyprus and give to the Turks the power to control the whole Cyprus. They were some brainless that did this, but fortunately they were a small minority.

You can count on me to take the right decisions that serve the interests of Cyprus, and none that serve the interests of the invaders.

Sorry,I forgot that you have a very selective memory!
Let me remind you...You shot yourself in the left foot when you drove the TCs out of power in 1963....And you shot yourself in the right foot when you brought off the coup against Makarios in order to bring about Enosis with Greece! I know I can count on you to take the wrong decision to advance the cause of fanatical GCs...The next one you make will be your last! That is a friendly warning...

[quattro]

Bir, one way or another its almost "game over" for the TCs as well - hence the "revolt" Turkey may have felt it was surounded by Greek islands 40 years ago but within the EU that is of no consequence. Turkey is hanging on to the island to keep the military quiet for the time being. As power wanes from the generals towards the government so the need to stay recedes. Future setbacks in the Turkish economy will be blamed on the fact that the EU membership was forsaken in favour of a few thousand TCs, then you will see Turkey change its attitude towards both the EU and the ungrateful ones.

There was an interesting translation from a mainland newspaper here below.
Perhaps it gives an idea why, in addition to “strategic” reasons, Turkey conquered the north
Starts at message 45, translation further down.

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/55525.asp


We did not love saving the TCs we loved capturing the land. We gave them peace and security is just pretend. As sons of Ottomons we loved conquering for the first time in 300 years. Hatay does not count, we did not fire a single bullet for that.

We did not see them as the saved, we see them as captured. Gave us a superiority complex to suppress our inferiority complex

I can't argue with you ,.Jerry...That is why i keep saying you are cutting off your nose to spite your face...You didnt want to share power with 120,000 TCs according to the 1960 Constitution,now you are paying the price! Turkey will never get into the EU,and will never get out of Cyprus without a war! when you finally make the ultimate mistake of using arms against the trnc the whole of Cyprus will be captured,and not one finger will be lifted by anyone to help you...The game is over...The final chapter is not played out yet,but given all the indications,it will be in not so distant future!
I don't take any pleasure in writing this...

bir now is the time to through them (leaders) in a room with the 1960 Constitution, and let them out when they find a solution ....do you agree ?

[Piratis]

I wasn't even born then you fool. My family voted for Makarios and they supported him, so even if I was alive why would I want to bring down Makarios?

We didn't "shoot ourselves", but the fascists that always ruled and continue to rule Turkey, found the chance during the brief period that Greece was also ruled by fascists, to create a problem to Cyprus.

But you did shoot yourselves on the foot, since the majority of your population choose to side with fascist Turkey instead of the Cypriot people who were fighting against the coupists and the invaders. Cyprus will be liberated sooner or later, but it will take a while, and I doubt we will find any Turkish Cypriot when we will liberate our lands. All we will find will be Turkish Settlers, who will get send back to Anatolia where they came from. The days of Turkish Cypriots are numbered, and you have only yourself and your greed to blame for this.