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Are the Turk cyps leaning towards the ROC now for a handout?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby SpartanGamer » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:40 am

Viewpoint wrote:
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Viewpoint wrote:
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Nikitas wrote:Bir, I do not for a minute understimate Erdoghan or Davut's cunning. The salient point here is the word cunning, as opposed to intelligenece. What started out as a policy of zero problems with their neighbors has seen instead the gradual growing hostility of neighbors in view of the grandiose and anachronistic neo-ottoman goals.

Turkey is stuck in a bind, it does not want to recognise Cypriotness, expressing this fossilised view through its refusal to rcognise the RoC and its treatment of the TCs. Therofore it tries desperately to define the situation as one of Greeks and Turks. A position that Greece managed to sidestep decades ago.

To come to the title of this tread. The situation challenges the GC side more than Turkey. Now is the time for high diplomacy, and definitely NOT for the attitude displayed in the title of the thread re "handouts" etc. Now is the time to show solidarity to the TCs but without inviting accusations against them that they are "colluding with the enemy". It is a tough call, but it could be done if the GC leadership can think out of the box for once.



Good points Nikitas, the word "handouts" was not appropriate, a more appropritate phrase could of been Tc looking towards the RoC and a unitary state. high level diplomacy and some serious soul searching by the Greek cyps needs to come. My instinct tells me that things are coming closer and faster then we had previously thought. Turkey needs a solution to the Cyprus problem as much as the
Greek cyps and Greece. The main agreement would have to be between Greece and Turkey, Erdogan pushing away the Tc like he did the past two days is a green light to the Cyprus government to begin its high level diplomacy in bringing the Tc within the realm of the ROC....


The GCs would never be so bold to take such a step.


The GCs were bold enough to say NO to Anan and YES to EU. What have you done?


That was stupidity not boldness.


So what have you done?


Done?? please clarify.


Duh!

you don't know and we don't know because you have done nothing worthy.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:44 am

Voted YES to a UN EU backed comprehensive solution.
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Postby kurupetos » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:46 am

Viewpoint wrote:Voted YES to a UN EU backed comprehensive solution.


Look at you now! You should have voted NO! 8)
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:49 am

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Viewpoint wrote:Voted YES to a UN EU backed comprehensive solution.


Look at you now! You should have voted NO! 8)


Whats wrong, you people are rejoicing at what?
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Postby SpartanGamer » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:52 am

Viewpoint wrote:Voted YES to a UN EU backed comprehensive solution.


You are yesmen. Yes to turkey. Yes to stealing. Yes to anything selfish.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:55 am

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Viewpoint wrote:Voted YES to a UN EU backed comprehensive solution.


You are yesmen. Yes to turkey. Yes to stealing. Yes to anything selfish.


Whats that go to do with anything? I havent stolen anything, you can steal whats already yours and Im not normally self just cautious.
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Postby SpartanGamer » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:23 am

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Viewpoint wrote:Voted YES to a UN EU backed comprehensive solution.


You are yesmen. Yes to turkey. Yes to stealing. Yes to anything selfish.


Whats that go to do with anything? I havent stolen anything, you can steal whats already yours and Im not normally self just cautious.


You are living in at least 85% stolen private-territory; or 100% stolen RoC-territory. Stolen by Turkey. Turkey your government and your representative. Your partner in crime.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:02 pm

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BirKibrisli wrote:Yes,dear Nikitas...as long as Turkey insists that Greece has strategic interests in Cyprus,and the world believe it,Turkey doesnt have to remove one single soldier...Do not make the mistake of underestimating the cunningness of Erdogan and his foreign minister...


why not? i think they're stupid. picking fights with our yiddisher friends proves it

BirKibrisli wrote:I keep warning you that unless you force Turkey's hand by agreeing to a fair and lasting settlement of the Cyprus problem you are strengthening Erdogan's hand on Cyprus...Time is not working in GC interest as most of you believe...Each passing year only makes the status quo more legitimate in world opinion...Combine that with Turkey's growing economic and political influence in the region and you have a potential fait accomplie...Time for complacency is long past...It is now time for realism,and a realistic solution for Cyprob.


get lost. not interested. we'll kick u in that hole of doom, like king leonidas did to that stupid persian emissary, in the film '2000' (the scene which always makes yialoser cream his pants).


Your stupidity knows no bounds...This bloodyminded attitude is the real reason we are all in this shithole together,and it looks like you will kick us'in that hole of doom' and Turkey will make sure you will follow us there... :wink: You better start learning Turkish and get your dick ready for a bit of discount...There will be no escape for you and your like from that shithole until you give Turkey what Turkey wants... :roll:
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Postby kurupetos » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:06 pm

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BirKibrisli wrote:Yes,dear Nikitas...as long as Turkey insists that Greece has strategic interests in Cyprus,and the world believe it,Turkey doesnt have to remove one single soldier...Do not make the mistake of underestimating the cunningness of Erdogan and his foreign minister...


why not? i think they're stupid. picking fights with our yiddisher friends proves it

BirKibrisli wrote:I keep warning you that unless you force Turkey's hand by agreeing to a fair and lasting settlement of the Cyprus problem you are strengthening Erdogan's hand on Cyprus...Time is not working in GC interest as most of you believe...Each passing year only makes the status quo more legitimate in world opinion...Combine that with Turkey's growing economic and political influence in the region and you have a potential fait accomplie...Time for complacency is long past...It is now time for realism,and a realistic solution for Cyprob.


get lost. not interested. we'll kick u in that hole of doom, like king leonidas did to that stupid persian emissary, in the film '2000' (the scene which always makes yialoser cream his pants).


Your stupidity knows no bounds...This bloodyminded attitude is the real reason we are all in this shithole together,and it looks like you will kick us'in that hole of doom' and Turkey will make sure you will follow us there... :wink: You better start learning Turkish and get your dick ready for a bit of discount...There will be no escape for you and your like from that shithole until you give Turkey what Turkey wants... :roll:


What makes you think ZoC is a Cypriot? :lol:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:23 pm

Piratis wrote:
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BirKibrisli wrote:Those who are gloating over the TC discomfort forget one crucial point...Erdogan has now openly declared that Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus,and she is not going to hand over one inch of the North...This is an open challenge to the RoC government,the Greek government,the USA and the EU...You can now kiss goodbye 37 % of Cyprus...That is from the horse's mouth...The real TCs will now have to learn to live with less and less...Something they became experts in during 1963-74...Erdogans will come and Erdogans will go...He was your best chance of reunifying our motherland...You have blown it by your bloodyminded attitude towards the TCs...The TCs will now simply turn the other cheek, return to their roots, and take their chances with the rest of the 80 Million citizens of Turkey...It is game over folks...The GC offical policy has finally suceeded in Partitioning Cyprus...Your victory is complete..Enjoy!!!!


cheers... fair assessment, except for blaming free cypriots for why turkey's leaders (who come and go) behave like aresholes towards the tcs... and for why tcs are just prepared to bend over and take it.

and u can now kiss goodbye to any dignity. turkey's got 100% of ur arse.


Starting from the ENOSIS dream,you gave the TCs no other option....Non what so ever! Your insistence on turning the TCs into a humiliated minority (and hence extract your revenge for the sins of their ancestors going back to 1571) meant the TCs had nowhere else to turn but to Turkey...And as VP and others keep telling you,the TCs would rather give Turkey 100% of their arse than 10 % to the GCs! Game set and match...Enjoy your hard earned Partition!...We will try to enjoy Turkey's special interests in our well being... :)


Are the other minorities in Cyprus who live in peace with the majority of the population "humiliated"? Did you see GCs seeking any revenge from say the Latin minority? The fact is that we asked for nothing more than our rights, and you choose to attack us in order to prevent Cyprus from being free so you could continue to enjoy Ottoman style privileges on the expense of every other Cypriot.

And to us it was no news at all that Turkey is here to serve her own interests. Did you really think we waited for Erdogan to tell us the obvious? Will you also wait for Erdogan to tell you that the reason they supported the Annan plan was because it served their interests on our expense? That plan not only would not unify Cyprus, but it would officially partition it, and would also give the power to the puppets of Turkey to control the whole Cyprus. Thats exactly what Turkey wants.

There will not be any peaceful solution in Cyprus. Cyprus will remain de facto partitiond until the balance of power will change, and at that point there will be nothing you or Turkey can do to prevent the liberation of Cyprus.

Until then enjoy the results of your greediness, while GCs and all other Cypriot minorities will continue to progress and live together in peace.


Stop kidding yourself,Piratis...
You cannot compare the other minorities with the TCs...You never hated them and wished them ill as much as you hated and actively worked to destroy the TCs.. The point with Erdogan's comments is that he no longer feels the need to pretend Turkey is in Cyprus just to look after the interests of the TCs...He feels secure enough to tell the world to go and jump,Turkey will not give up an inch of Cyprus...And my point is that you have worked hard to undermind and destroy the TCs,walked into Turkey's hands,and now there is no way you will get Turkey to leave Cyprus...You can be very proud of your success in cutting off your nose to spite your face! Now you can face the world without a nose,and explain to the future generations of Cypriots how you came about to lose 37% of their country! You can only hope they will be gullible enough to believe the idiotic propaganda/misinformation campaign you've been waging here,because if they don't they will be spitting in your face from morning till night...


The reason TCs are hated is exactly because they do not accept to be like all other minorities and they insist on Ottoman privilages on our expense. Did you expect to love you when you collaborate with foreign imperialists to violate our human and democratic rights?

If you accepted to be like all other minorities, then we wouldn't hate you like we don't hate any of the other minorities. As simple as that. All equal Cypriots, each one has one vote, decisions about Cyprus taken democratically. Why would we hate you if you accepted this? You never did.

There is nothing difficult to explain about Turkey's occupation: Turkish Expansionism and Turkish geostrategic interests. Everything else is just lame excuses, as now Erdogan, and even you, finally seem to admit.

Turkey wants to serve her own interests (UK the same) and they are using your minority, by promising to you gains on our expense, in order to create an excuse to get what they want from Cyprus (troops and control).


Sorry,Piratis,I seem to have missed this post of yours...
GEt your head out of the sand and face the historical realities...Your hatred for the TCs began long before the 1960s...It became evident during the 50s,and you simply declared it to the world in 1963/64 period...
Your might see your demand for Enosis (your cherished dream since 1821,and probably much earlier) as a human and democratic right,but we saw it as violating our human rights,and a certain road to oppression and humiliation...When you are ready to accept this,a lot will fall into place for you...REsistance and denial are futile...Time for you to own up to your past sins against the TCs...As I owned up to the sins of my community time and time again in the past...
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