Cyprus-Forum.com

[ZoC]

Stop kidding yourself,Piratis...
You cannot compare the other minorities with the TCs...You never hated them and wished them ill as much as you hated and actively worked to destroy the TCs.. The point with Erdogan's comments is that he no longer feels the need to pretend Turkey is in Cyprus just to look after the interests of the TCs...He feels secure enough to tell the world to go and jump,Turkey will not give up an inch of Cyprus...

STOP THE PRESS! Turkey in "we don't want to give back what we've stolen" SHOCK! i'm sure the whole world will stop spinning on its access for a while to recover from that revelation.

And my point is that you have worked hard to undermind and destroy the TCs,walked into Turkey's hands,and now there is no way you will get Turkey to leave Cyprus...You can be very proud of your success in cutting off your nose to spite your face! Now you can face the world without a nose,and explain to the future generations of Cypriots how you came about to lose 37% of their country! You can only hope they will be gullible enough to believe the idiotic propaganda/misinformation campaign you've been waging here,because if they don't they will be spitting in your face from morning till night...

birk. ur nuts.

[BirKibrisli]

Kikapu, strategy as the military inderstand it is a mix of bird brained ideas they learned in military academies and contain such idiocies as "the soft underbelly of Turkey". A phrase which likens a nation to a cow, with a soft belly belo and hard horns above etc. These guys are obviously affected by the way maps are presented in classrooms, with the north always up, and the south always down. They start to think that rockets can only fly S. to N- NE and not the other way round.

You would think that they could see the obvious, that by keeping their soldiers in the north they legitimise the presence of Greek military in the south, which weakens their strateigc advantage. It would be much greater if NO ONE had troops on the island. But maybe that was the intention all along, hence Erdoghan's legitimisation of Greek strategic interest during his latest outburst.

I agree with you, Nikitas.

Turkey has a huge "underbelly" if that's what they are worried about, but how does having a military base in the north 60 miles offshore from the mainland is any help to Turkey, and even if it were, it only covers just the north-east quadrant area between Turkey, Cyprus and Syria. What about the rest of her "underbelly".? The whole thing is nothing but for the Turks to feel that they have in fact won some land back that they once held before. The rest of any "strategic interests" claims without explanation as to what they are, is because Turkey does not know why she is in the north, but sounds good all the same, just to make believe, that they will only give it up for a equal value exchange, an EU membership. Lets face it, Turkey does not exactly have a "poker face" in what she is holding in her hands and on her mind. Right now Turkey likes to flex some military muscles on Cyprus, just because they can and it gives them a "hard on", but in reality, they are quite impotent as to what they can do with it, specially since 2004 when Cyprus became a EU member. The only thing that is keeping Turkey's "hard on" in place, is a lot of Viagra.!

Kikapu,
I think you can guess what I will say,but I will say it anyway for the benefit of the other interested parties...Turkey was and probably still is protecting the American strategic interests in Cyprus. Now the presence of the Turkish troops in Cyprus simply serves Erdogan and his party's strategic interests...As long as Turkey is in Cyprus there will never be a danger of the EU admitting her into the Union...And as long as Turkey is in Cyprus Erdogan has a carrot to dangle in front of the Military...That sums it up as far as i am concerned...i know you do not believe me,and you keep believing that Erdogan really wants Turkey in the EU,but that is only wishful thinking on the part of our GC cousins...They refuse to even consider the possibility that Erdogan and his party are using Cyprus as a pawn in their grander designs for the Turkish republic...

[BirKibrisli]

Bir said: "Erdogan has now openly declared that Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus,and she is not going to hand over one inch of the North"

Y0ou forget Bir that there never was any intentio to hand back any land. Even under the Annan abortion the return was for 7 per cent of the island, ie about the size of the buffer zone. While opening the door for claims on the Dhekeli base.

And you overlooked that Erdoghan said "Turkey has strategic interests like Greece has". Who legitimised who in this little, supposedly angry, statement? He has given Greece more legitimisation in Cyprus than it ever had since July 1974.

Yes,dear Nikitas...as long as Turkey insists that Greece has strategic interests in Cyprus,and the world believe it,Turkey doesnt have to remove one single soldier...Do not make the mistake of underestimating the cunningness of Erdogan and his foreign minister...I keep warning you that unless you force Turkey's hand by agreeing to a fair and lasting settlement of the Cyprus problem you are strengthening Erdogan's hand on Cyprus...Time is not working in GC interest as most of you believe...Each passing year only makes the status quo more legitimate in world opinion...Combine that with Turkey's growing economic and political influence in the region and you have a potential fait accomplie...Time for complacency is long past...It is now time for realism,and a realistic solution for Cyprob.

[Piratis]

Those who are gloating over the TC discomfort forget one crucial point...Erdogan has now openly declared that Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus,and she is not going to hand over one inch of the North...This is an open challenge to the RoC government,the Greek government,the USA and the EU...You can now kiss goodbye 37 % of Cyprus...That is from the horse's mouth...The real TCs will now have to learn to live with less and less...Something they became experts in during 1963-74...Erdogans will come and Erdogans will go...He was your best chance of reunifying our motherland...You have blown it by your bloodyminded attitude towards the TCs...The TCs will now simply turn the other cheek, return to their roots, and take their chances with the rest of the 80 Million citizens of Turkey...It is game over folks...The GC offical policy has finally suceeded in Partitioning Cyprus...Your victory is complete..Enjoy!!!!

cheers... fair assessment, except for blaming free cypriots for why turkey's leaders (who come and go) behave like aresholes towards the tcs... and for why tcs are just prepared to bend over and take it.

and u can now kiss goodbye to any dignity. turkey's got 100% of ur arse.

Starting from the ENOSIS dream,you gave the TCs no other option....Non what so ever! Your insistence on turning the TCs into a humiliated minority (and hence extract your revenge for the sins of their ancestors going back to 1571) meant the TCs had nowhere else to turn but to Turkey...And as VP and others keep telling you,the TCs would rather give Turkey 100% of their arse than 10 % to the GCs! Game set and match...Enjoy your hard earned Partition!...We will try to enjoy Turkey's special interests in our well being...

Are the other minorities in Cyprus who live in peace with the majority of the population "humiliated"? Did you see GCs seeking any revenge from say the Latin minority? The fact is that we asked for nothing more than our rights, and you choose to attack us in order to prevent Cyprus from being free so you could continue to enjoy Ottoman style privileges on the expense of every other Cypriot.

And to us it was no news at all that Turkey is here to serve her own interests. Did you really think we waited for Erdogan to tell us the obvious? Will you also wait for Erdogan to tell you that the reason they supported the Annan plan was because it served their interests on our expense? That plan not only would not unify Cyprus, but it would officially partition it, and would also give the power to the puppets of Turkey to control the whole Cyprus. Thats exactly what Turkey wants.

There will not be any peaceful solution in Cyprus. Cyprus will remain de facto partitiond until the balance of power will change, and at that point there will be nothing you or Turkey can do to prevent the liberation of Cyprus.

Until then enjoy the results of your greediness, while GCs and all other Cypriot minorities will continue to progress and live together in peace.

Stop kidding yourself,Piratis...
You cannot compare the other minorities with the TCs...You never hated them and wished them ill as much as you hated and actively worked to destroy the TCs.. The point with Erdogan's comments is that he no longer feels the need to pretend Turkey is in Cyprus just to look after the interests of the TCs...He feels secure enough to tell the world to go and jump,Turkey will not give up an inch of Cyprus...And my point is that you have worked hard to undermind and destroy the TCs,walked into Turkey's hands,and now there is no way you will get Turkey to leave Cyprus...You can be very proud of your success in cutting off your nose to spite your face! Now you can face the world without a nose,and explain to the future generations of Cypriots how you came about to lose 37% of their country! You can only hope they will be gullible enough to believe the idiotic propaganda/misinformation campaign you've been waging here,because if they don't they will be spitting in your face from morning till night...

The reason TCs are hated is exactly because they do not accept to be like all other minorities and they insist on Ottoman privilages on our expense. Did you expect to love you when you collaborate with foreign imperialists to violate our human and democratic rights?

If you accepted to be like all other minorities, then we wouldn't hate you like we don't hate any of the other minorities. As simple as that. All equal Cypriots, each one has one vote, decisions about Cyprus taken democratically. Why would we hate you if you accepted this? You never did.

There is nothing difficult to explain about Turkey's occupation: Turkish Expansionism and Turkish geostrategic interests. Everything else is just lame excuses, as now Erdogan, and even you, finally seem to admit.

Turkey wants to serve her own interests (UK the same) and they are using your minority, by promising to you gains on our expense, in order to create an excuse to get what they want from Cyprus (troops and control).

[BirKibrisli]

Stop kidding yourself,Piratis...
You cannot compare the other minorities with the TCs...You never hated them and wished them ill as much as you hated and actively worked to destroy the TCs.. The point with Erdogan's comments is that he no longer feels the need to pretend Turkey is in Cyprus just to look after the interests of the TCs...He feels secure enough to tell the world to go and jump,Turkey will not give up an inch of Cyprus...

STOP THE PRESS! Turkey in "we don't want to give back what we've stolen" SHOCK! i'm sure the whole world will stop spinning on its access for a while to recover from that revelation.

And my point is that you have worked hard to undermind and destroy the TCs,walked into Turkey's hands,and now there is no way you will get Turkey to leave Cyprus...You can be very proud of your success in cutting off your nose to spite your face! Now you can face the world without a nose,and explain to the future generations of Cypriots how you came about to lose 37% of their country! You can only hope they will be gullible enough to believe the idiotic propaganda/misinformation campaign you've been waging here,because if they don't they will be spitting in your face from morning till night...

birk. ur nuts.

Yeah??? Which part of what I have written above don't you agree with and why???

[ZoC]

Yes,dear Nikitas...as long as Turkey insists that Greece has strategic interests in Cyprus,and the world believe it,Turkey doesnt have to remove one single soldier...Do not make the mistake of underestimating the cunningness of Erdogan and his foreign minister...

why not? i think they're stupid. picking fights with our yiddisher friends proves it

I keep warning you that unless you force Turkey's hand by agreeing to a fair and lasting settlement of the Cyprus problem you are strengthening Erdogan's hand on Cyprus...Time is not working in GC interest as most of you believe...Each passing year only makes the status quo more legitimate in world opinion...Combine that with Turkey's growing economic and political influence in the region and you have a potential fait accomplie...Time for complacency is long past...It is now time for realism,and a realistic solution for Cyprob.

get lost. not interested. we'll kick u in that hole of doom, like king leonidas did to that stupid persian emissary, in the film '2000' (the scene which always makes yialoser cream his pants).

[Piratis]

Bir said: "Erdogan has now openly declared that Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus,and she is not going to hand over one inch of the North"

Y0ou forget Bir that there never was any intentio to hand back any land. Even under the Annan abortion the return was for 7 per cent of the island, ie about the size of the buffer zone. While opening the door for claims on the Dhekeli base.

And you overlooked that Erdoghan said "Turkey has strategic interests like Greece has". Who legitimised who in this little, supposedly angry, statement? He has given Greece more legitimisation in Cyprus than it ever had since July 1974.

Yes,dear Nikitas...as long as Turkey insists that Greece has strategic interests in Cyprus,and the world believe it,Turkey doesnt have to remove one single soldier...Do not make the mistake of underestimating the cunningness of Erdogan and his foreign minister...I keep warning you that unless you force Turkey's hand by agreeing to a fair and lasting settlement of the Cyprus problem you are strengthening Erdogan's hand on Cyprus...Time is not working in GC interest as most of you believe...Each passing year only makes the status quo more legitimate in world opinion...Combine that with Turkey's growing economic and political influence in the region and you have a potential fait accomplie...Time for complacency is long past...It is now time for realism,and a realistic solution for Cyprob.

What you call "realistic solution", is worst than what we have today. Do you really think we will accept some solution which will be bad for us, so you can finally have a recognized "Turkish State" in Cyprus, and so you and Turkey can get in EU? What you call "realistic solution" is not realistic at all because there is no chance in a billion we will ever accept such thing and therefore it will never become a reality.

We will help keep Turkey out of EU, and push her to become an Islamic Republic. At that point you will lose the support of the Americans and you can kiss goodbye not just Cyprus, but also half of what you today call "Turkey", which will become the independent Republic of Kurdistan.

[Jerry]

Bir, one way or another its almost "game over" for the TCs as well - hence the "revolt" Turkey may have felt it was surounded by Greek islands 40 years ago but within the EU that is of no consequence. Turkey is hanging on to the island to keep the military quiet for the time being. As power wanes from the generals towards the government so the need to stay recedes. Future setbacks in the Turkish economy will be blamed on the fact that the EU membership was forsaken in favour of a few thousand TCs, then you will see Turkey change its attitude towards both the EU and the ungrateful ones.

There was an interesting translation from a mainland newspaper here below.
Perhaps it gives an idea why, in addition to “strategic” reasons, Turkey conquered the north
Starts at message 45, translation further down.

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/55525.asp


We did not love saving the TCs we loved capturing the land. We gave them peace and security is just pretend. As sons of Ottomons we loved conquering for the first time in 300 years. Hatay does not count, we did not fire a single bullet for that.

We did not see them as the saved, we see them as captured. Gave us a superiority complex to suppress our inferiority complex

[ZoC]

Yes,dear Nikitas...as long as Turkey insists that Greece has strategic interests in Cyprus,and the world believe it,Turkey doesnt have to remove one single soldier...Do not make the mistake of underestimating the cunningness of Erdogan and his foreign minister...

why not? i think they're stupid. picking fights with our yiddisher friends proves it

I keep warning you that unless you force Turkey's hand by agreeing to a fair and lasting settlement of the Cyprus problem you are strengthening Erdogan's hand on Cyprus...Time is not working in GC interest as most of you believe...Each passing year only makes the status quo more legitimate in world opinion...Combine that with Turkey's growing economic and political influence in the region and you have a potential fait accomplie...Time for complacency is long past...It is now time for realism,and a realistic solution for Cyprob.

get lost. not interested. we'll kick u in that hole of doom, like king leonidas did to that stupid persian emissary, in the film '2000' (the scene which always makes yialoser cream his pants).

of course, i meant 300 not 2000 - but, apart from that, no other exaggeration on my part, birki...

[Nikitas]

Bir, I do not for a minute understimate Erdoghan or Davut's cunning. The salient point here is the word cunning, as opposed to intelligenece. What started out as a policy of zero problems with their neighbors has seen instead the gradual growing hostility of neighbors in view of the grandiose and anachronistic neo-ottoman goals.

Turkey is stuck in a bind, it does not want to recognise Cypriotness, expressing this fossilised view through its refusal to rcognise the RoC and its treatment of the TCs. Therofore it tries desperately to define the situation as one of Greeks and Turks. A position that Greece managed to sidestep decades ago.

To come to the title of this tread. The situation challenges the GC side more than Turkey. Now is the time for high diplomacy, and definitely NOT for the attitude displayed in the title of the thread re "handouts" etc. Now is the time to show solidarity to the TCs but without inviting accusations against them that they are "colluding with the enemy". It is a tough call, but it could be done if the GC leadership can think out of the box for once.