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[Kikapu]

Can someone explain to me what are Turkey's "strategic interests" are in occupying northern part of Cyprus, other than perhaps having some control of the north-east quadrant of the eastern Mediterranean between Turkey, Cyprus and Syria, and ONLY if and when Turkey can keep the north legally.?? I can understand if Turkey had all of Cyprus legally, but just the northern part, makes no sense to me what so ever. Can you all please tell me why is Turkey in the north.? How does it benefit her strategically when the mainland is so nearby.?

I can understand her if she is bragging about having an offshore location where Gambling, Prostitution, Human & Drug Trafficking and Money laundering can be very active and unhindered since they control the locals in the north and for them to serve Turkey in all areas to make the above activities to run smoothly. all this done under the guises that the "trnc" is a independent country to which they are allowing Turkey to conduct any businesses as they see fit. This I can understand, but not any military strategic interests, because if anything, Turkish military in the north is Turkey weakest link in the chain, and, if and when they will ever face a formidable force, it will be checkmate and game in a relatively very short time against Turkey's forces in the north. So, what are Turkey strategic interests in the northern part of Cyprus.??

[Nikitas]

Bir said: "Erdogan has now openly declared that Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus,and she is not going to hand over one inch of the North"

Y0ou forget Bir that there never was any intentio to hand back any land. Even under the Annan abortion the return was for 7 per cent of the island, ie about the size of the buffer zone. While opening the door for claims on the Dhekeli base.

And you overlooked that Erdoghan said "Turkey has strategic interests like Greece has". Who legitimised who in this little, supposedly angry, statement? He has given Greece more legitimisation in Cyprus than it ever had since July 1974.

[Nikitas]

Kikapu, strategy as the military inderstand it is a mix of bird brained ideas they learned in military academies and contain such idiocies as "the soft underbelly of Turkey". A phrase which likens a nation to a cow, with a soft belly belo and hard horns above etc. These guys are obviously affected by the way maps are presented in classrooms, with the north always up, and the south always down. They start to think that rockets can only fly S. to N- NE and not the other way round.

You would think that they could see the obvious, that by keeping their soldiers in the north they legitimise the presence of Greek military in the south, which weakens their strateigc advantage. It would be much greater if NO ONE had troops on the island. But maybe that was the intention all along, hence Erdoghan's legitimisation of Greek strategic interest during his latest outburst.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, strategy as the military inderstand it is a mix of bird brained ideas they learned in military academies and contain such idiocies as "the soft underbelly of Turkey". A phrase which likens a nation to a cow, with a soft belly belo and hard horns above etc. These guys are obviously affected by the way maps are presented in classrooms, with the north always up, and the south always down. They start to think that rockets can only fly S. to N- NE and not the other way round.

You would think that they could see the obvious, that by keeping their soldiers in the north they legitimise the presence of Greek military in the south, which weakens their strateigc advantage. It would be much greater if NO ONE had troops on the island. But maybe that was the intention all along, hence Erdoghan's legitimisation of Greek strategic interest during his latest outburst.

I agree with you, Nikitas.

Turkey has a huge "underbelly" if that's what they are worried about, but how does having a military base in the north 60 miles offshore from the mainland is any help to Turkey, and even if it were, it only covers just the north-east quadrant area between Turkey, Cyprus and Syria. What about the rest of her "underbelly".? The whole thing is nothing but for the Turks to feel that they have in fact won some land back that they once held before. The rest of any "strategic interests" claims without explanation as to what they are, is because Turkey does not know why she is in the north, but sounds good all the same, just to make believe, that they will only give it up for a equal value exchange, an EU membership. Lets face it, Turkey does not exactly have a "poker face" in what she is holding in her hands and on her mind. Right now Turkey likes to flex some military muscles on Cyprus, just because they can and it gives them a "hard on", but in reality, they are quite impotent as to what they can do with it, specially since 2004 when Cyprus became a EU member. The only thing that is keeping Turkey's "hard on" in place, is a lot of Viagra.!

[SKI-preo]

Good Morning Erdogan- Did the Turks realise that Turkish Cypriots are essentially Greek Cypriots who converted to Islam for "Privileges" and tax concessions. Mr Erdogan- it is a stupid move to get between a Turkish Cypriot and his Privileges.

Mr Erdogan- Don't stop feeding the hand that bites you-just wear gloves- they bit us too.

[humanist]

VP

What you forget is that TCs do not want to live in a GC state thats why they do not move south.

If people think they'll be better off financially and as Europeans sooner or later they will be deciding. The fact that the papers have reported some TC's were waving the RoC flag is surely telling your leadership that living under the RoC is a better alternative to a hard life already.

Just slow down a bit mate and look the issues as they arise from a different lense.

[BirKibrisli]

Those who are gloating over the TC discomfort forget one crucial point...Erdogan has now openly declared that Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus,and she is not going to hand over one inch of the North...This is an open challenge to the RoC government,the Greek government,the USA and the EU...You can now kiss goodbye 37 % of Cyprus...That is from the horse's mouth...The real TCs will now have to learn to live with less and less...Something they became experts in during 1963-74...Erdogans will come and Erdogans will go...He was your best chance of reunifying our motherland...You have blown it by your bloodyminded attitude towards the TCs...The TCs will now simply turn the other cheek, return to their roots, and take their chances with the rest of the 80 Million citizens of Turkey...It is game over folks...The GC offical policy has finally suceeded in Partitioning Cyprus...Your victory is complete..Enjoy!!!!

cheers... fair assessment, except for blaming free cypriots for why turkey's leaders (who come and go) behave like aresholes towards the tcs... and for why tcs are just prepared to bend over and take it.

and u can now kiss goodbye to any dignity. turkey's got 100% of ur arse.

Starting from the ENOSIS dream,you gave the TCs no other option....Non what so ever! Your insistence on turning the TCs into a humiliated minority (and hence extract your revenge for the sins of their ancestors going back to 1571) meant the TCs had nowhere else to turn but to Turkey...And as VP and others keep telling you,the TCs would rather give Turkey 100% of their arse than 10 % to the GCs! Game set and match...Enjoy your hard earned Partition!...We will try to enjoy Turkey's special interests in our well being...

[Piratis]

Those who are gloating over the TC discomfort forget one crucial point...Erdogan has now openly declared that Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus,and she is not going to hand over one inch of the North...This is an open challenge to the RoC government,the Greek government,the USA and the EU...You can now kiss goodbye 37 % of Cyprus...That is from the horse's mouth...The real TCs will now have to learn to live with less and less...Something they became experts in during 1963-74...Erdogans will come and Erdogans will go...He was your best chance of reunifying our motherland...You have blown it by your bloodyminded attitude towards the TCs...The TCs will now simply turn the other cheek, return to their roots, and take their chances with the rest of the 80 Million citizens of Turkey...It is game over folks...The GC offical policy has finally suceeded in Partitioning Cyprus...Your victory is complete..Enjoy!!!!

cheers... fair assessment, except for blaming free cypriots for why turkey's leaders (who come and go) behave like aresholes towards the tcs... and for why tcs are just prepared to bend over and take it.

and u can now kiss goodbye to any dignity. turkey's got 100% of ur arse.

Starting from the ENOSIS dream,you gave the TCs no other option....Non what so ever! Your insistence on turning the TCs into a humiliated minority (and hence extract your revenge for the sins of their ancestors going back to 1571) meant the TCs had nowhere else to turn but to Turkey...And as VP and others keep telling you,the TCs would rather give Turkey 100% of their arse than 10 % to the GCs! Game set and match...Enjoy your hard earned Partition!...We will try to enjoy Turkey's special interests in our well being...

Are the other minorities in Cyprus who live in peace with the majority of the population "humiliated"? Did you see GCs seeking any revenge from say the Latin minority? The fact is that we asked for nothing more than our rights, and you choose to attack us in order to prevent Cyprus from being free so you could continue to enjoy Ottoman style privileges on the expense of every other Cypriot.

And to us it was no news at all that Turkey is here to serve her own interests. Did you really think we waited for Erdogan to tell us the obvious? Will you also wait for Erdogan to tell you that the reason they supported the Annan plan was because it served their interests on our expense? That plan not only would not unify Cyprus, but it would officially partition it, and would also give the power to the puppets of Turkey to control the whole Cyprus. Thats exactly what Turkey wants.

There will not be any peaceful solution in Cyprus. Cyprus will remain de facto partitiond until the balance of power will change, and at that point there will be nothing you or Turkey can do to prevent the liberation of Cyprus.

Until then enjoy the results of your greediness, while GCs and all other Cypriot minorities will continue to progress and live together in peace.

[BirKibrisli]

Those who are gloating over the TC discomfort forget one crucial point...Erdogan has now openly declared that Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus,and she is not going to hand over one inch of the North...This is an open challenge to the RoC government,the Greek government,the USA and the EU...You can now kiss goodbye 37 % of Cyprus...That is from the horse's mouth...The real TCs will now have to learn to live with less and less...Something they became experts in during 1963-74...Erdogans will come and Erdogans will go...He was your best chance of reunifying our motherland...You have blown it by your bloodyminded attitude towards the TCs...The TCs will now simply turn the other cheek, return to their roots, and take their chances with the rest of the 80 Million citizens of Turkey...It is game over folks...The GC offical policy has finally suceeded in Partitioning Cyprus...Your victory is complete..Enjoy!!!!

cheers... fair assessment, except for blaming free cypriots for why turkey's leaders (who come and go) behave like aresholes towards the tcs... and for why tcs are just prepared to bend over and take it.

and u can now kiss goodbye to any dignity. turkey's got 100% of ur arse.

Starting from the ENOSIS dream,you gave the TCs no other option....Non what so ever! Your insistence on turning the TCs into a humiliated minority (and hence extract your revenge for the sins of their ancestors going back to 1571) meant the TCs had nowhere else to turn but to Turkey...And as VP and others keep telling you,the TCs would rather give Turkey 100% of their arse than 10 % to the GCs! Game set and match...Enjoy your hard earned Partition!...We will try to enjoy Turkey's special interests in our well being...

Are the other minorities in Cyprus who live in peace with the majority of the population "humiliated"? Did you see GCs seeking any revenge from say the Latin minority? The fact is that we asked for nothing more than our rights, and you choose to attack us in order to prevent Cyprus from being free so you could continue to enjoy Ottoman style privileges on the expense of every other Cypriot.

And to us it was no news at all that Turkey is here to serve her own interests. Did you really think we waited for Erdogan to tell us the obvious? Will you also wait for Erdogan to tell you that the reason they supported the Annan plan was because it served their interests on our expense? That plan not only would not unify Cyprus, but it would officially partition it, and would also give the power to the puppets of Turkey to control the whole Cyprus. Thats exactly what Turkey wants.

There will not be any peaceful solution in Cyprus. Cyprus will remain de facto partitiond until the balance of power will change, and at that point there will be nothing you or Turkey can do to prevent the liberation of Cyprus.

Until then enjoy the results of your greediness, while GCs and all other Cypriot minorities will continue to progress and live together in peace.

Stop kidding yourself,Piratis...
You cannot compare the other minorities with the TCs...You never hated them and wished them ill as much as you hated and actively worked to destroy the TCs.. The point with Erdogan's comments is that he no longer feels the need to pretend Turkey is in Cyprus just to look after the interests of the TCs...He feels secure enough to tell the world to go and jump,Turkey will not give up an inch of Cyprus...And my point is that you have worked hard to undermind and destroy the TCs,walked into Turkey's hands,and now there is no way you will get Turkey to leave Cyprus...You can be very proud of your success in cutting off your nose to spite your face! Now you can face the world without a nose,and explain to the future generations of Cypriots how you came about to lose 37% of their country! You can only hope they will be gullible enough to believe the idiotic propaganda/misinformation campaign you've been waging here,because if they don't they will be spitting in your face from morning till night...

[ZoC]

as VP and others keep telling you,the TCs would rather give Turkey 100% of their arse than 10 % to the GCs! Game set and match...Enjoy your hard earned Partition!...We will try to enjoy Turkey's special interests in our well being...

wot do u want from me? ur nuts.

u could keep 90% of ur arse (we only want 10% for a bit of hanky-spanky on special occasions) - but no - u'd rather give 100% of it to turkey. enjoy ur hard earned anatolian rogering!