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[Jerry]

I am sure you mean well,Jerry, as Rolandis does,but our friends here are not interested in well-meaning strategies...They want blood. TC blood...and TC humilation...It is the same mentality which brought us to this point in our sorry history...Make the world a 'living hell' for the TCs to extract the revenge of the failed GC dream of Enosis with Greece...

Erdogan is simply trying to put the TCs in their place...In the place Erdogan thinks they should be,right beside the people of Turkey,economically,socially and culturally...And he will succeed because of the bloodyminded intransigence of the GCs...The cost to you will be 37% of Cyprus...The cost to the TCs will be total assimilation and domination by Turkey...And as VP keeps telling you,that would b e the overwhelming choice of the majority of the TCs both in the trnc and diaspora...Enjoy your phyrric victory...The reality would soon dawn on everyone,even on our TC hating forum fascists!

They don't all want blood Bir. They want what is right. If the GCs settle for anything less than what they believe to be a fair solution (i.e. not the AP) then the fascists will always have an excuse for revenge. Turkish demographic changes have made the chance of an equitable solution almost impossible - not the Greek Cypriots. And I'm afraid to say that the flogging off of our property by TCs has not helped matters.

I suppose you mean the AP when you mention GC intranigence but Turkey is "guilty" of the same thing in that it is prepared to give up on EU membership in favour of a few thousand TCs.

We can't keep going over this "who started it" business and digging up the past - it gets us nowhere. We have to accept that both sides are to blame but the TCs got the worst of it because they are a minority.

VP and his sort keep on about needing Turkey for security reasons, Rolandis actually says in his article that policing a united Cyprus could be handed to the UN for a generation. Actually within the EU the Europeans could become more involved.

In a nutshell, as things stand the ROC has lost 37% of the island, the TCs face extinction - the GCs do not - Turkey will never join the EU.
So, who are the real losers?

[BirKibrisli]

Erdogan is simply trying to put the TCs in their place...In the place Erdogan thinks they should be,right beside the people of Turkey,economically,socially and culturally...And he will succeed because of the bloodyminded intransigence of the GCs...

Why are you so keen to absolve Turkey of its responsibility for the humiliation it has heaped on the T/Cs? Why are you so keen to absolve those T/Cs who have mindlessly acquiesced to Turkey's will?

It is not the Greek Cypriots who control the north and who keep the island divided. Finally the T/Cs have woken up to the reality of their predicament and it has taken Erdogan's iron-fist to rouse them. It is about bloody time they realized they were not "saved" by the Turkish occupation but were instead denied their rights as ROC citizens and subject to a policy of slow annihilation.

For 37 years G/Cs have been fighting for a unified inclusive Cyprus in opposition to the Turkish occupation. We rejected the racist ideology of the Annan Plan which would have entrenched the division and kept the north a vassal state of Turkey and deprived us of our rights to our land.

We have pressured Turkey into revealing its hand and exposing its propaganda as a contemptuous lie. In so doing we have given the T/Cs a clear choice: slow humiliating servitude and death under Turkish rule or you finally join with the ROC in opposition to the Turkish occupation and the mountain of lies it was built on.

Finally, there is a chink of realization in the north. You should be pleased. But instead you are disappointed. I wonder why. At least some brave Turkish Cypriots are telling it like it is.

cut the crap,Hermes...You know as well as i do that you have been trying to make the TCs extinct since 1963..Without your disasterous Enosis dream,and all your crooked attempts to bring it about Cyprus would not have been divided....Well,guess what,you are a hair's width away from your bloodyminded,immoral revenge...You will not find enough TCs to count against Turkey's presence...Nothing will change ,whether you or I like it or not...As the famous Turkish saying goes 'et tirnaktan ayrilmaz' ('you can't separate the nail from the flesh')...
before you can talk about 'the racist ideology of the AP' take a good look at the racist ideology of another AP,The AKRITAS PLAN...Put everything in cronological order starting with Enosis with Greece dream,and you have your answer...Plain and simple and undisputable...You are guilty as sin...Admit and repent...It wont change anything but might make you feel better about losing 37% of Cyprus...Be sure the TCs have empathy and compasssion for your plight...We've lost 100% of our homeland,after all !!!

[BirKibrisli]

I am sure you mean well,Jerry, as Rolandis does,but our friends here are not interested in well-meaning strategies...They want blood. TC blood...and TC humilation...It is the same mentality which brought us to this point in our sorry history...Make the world a 'living hell' for the TCs to extract the revenge of the failed GC dream of Enosis with Greece...

Erdogan is simply trying to put the TCs in their place...In the place Erdogan thinks they should be,right beside the people of Turkey,economically,socially and culturally...And he will succeed because of the bloodyminded intransigence of the GCs...The cost to you will be 37% of Cyprus...The cost to the TCs will be total assimilation and domination by Turkey...And as VP keeps telling you,that would b e the overwhelming choice of the majority of the TCs both in the trnc and diaspora...Enjoy your phyrric victory...The reality would soon dawn on everyone,even on our TC hating forum fascists!

They don't all want blood Bir. They want what is right. If the GCs settle for anything less than what they believe to be a fair solution (i.e. not the AP) then the fascists will always have an excuse for revenge. Turkish demographic changes have made the chance of an equitable solution almost impossible - not the Greek Cypriots. And I'm afraid to say that the flogging off of our property by TCs has not helped matters.

I suppose you mean the AP when you mention GC intranigence but Turkey is "guilty" of the same thing in that it is prepared to give up on EU membership in favour of a few thousand TCs.

We can't keep going over this "who started it" business and digging up the past - it gets us nowhere. We have to accept that both sides are to blame but the TCs got the worst of it because they are a minority.

VP and his sort keep on about needing Turkey for security reasons, Rolandis actually says in his article that policing a united Cyprus could be handed to the UN for a generation. Actually within the EU the Europeans could become more involved.

In a nutshell, as things stand the ROC has lost 37% of the island, the TCs face extinction - the GCs do not - Turkey will never join the EU.
So, who are the real losers?

There is no doubt about that,Jerry...The real losers are the TCs...Once you activated the Akritas Plan you gave us no choice...You gave those hell bent on dividing and ruling us the ultimate weapon...On the TC side,those responsible and guilty for the division are a handful of individuals...On the GC side,the whole community must shoulder the responsibility because you voted for Enosis by a margin of 95%,if not higher...You mde the mistake but the TCs have paid the price! That cant be fair in anybody's language...

[Get Real!]

On the TC side,those responsible and guilty for the division are a handful of individuals...

Your family included!

[ZoC]

life's not fair. the world's not fair. stop whinging, playing the victim, and blaming everybody else all the time - if ur so pissed off do something about it. or else shut up 'cos ur getting boring.

[Hermes]

You know as well as i do that you have been trying to make the TCs extinct since 1963..Without your disasterous Enosis dream,and all your crooked attempts to bring it about Cyprus would not have been divided....

Still defending the Turkish invasion till the bitter end. Even as Turkey prepares its final solution for the Turkish Cypriots you still believe that the majority of Greek Cypriots desire their annihilation. You are the perfect receptacle for Turkey's disastrous policies in Cyprus. At least some Turkish Cypriots have woken up from their long sleep and realized who their real enemy is.

[Jerry]

I am sure you mean well,Jerry, as Rolandis does,but our friends here are not interested in well-meaning strategies...They want blood. TC blood...and TC humilation...It is the same mentality which brought us to this point in our sorry history...Make the world a 'living hell' for the TCs to extract the revenge of the failed GC dream of Enosis with Greece...

Erdogan is simply trying to put the TCs in their place...In the place Erdogan thinks they should be,right beside the people of Turkey,economically,socially and culturally...And he will succeed because of the bloodyminded intransigence of the GCs...The cost to you will be 37% of Cyprus...The cost to the TCs will be total assimilation and domination by Turkey...And as VP keeps telling you,that would b e the overwhelming choice of the majority of the TCs both in the trnc and diaspora...Enjoy your phyrric victory...The reality would soon dawn on everyone,even on our TC hating forum fascists!

They don't all want blood Bir. They want what is right. If the GCs settle for anything less than what they believe to be a fair solution (i.e. not the AP) then the fascists will always have an excuse for revenge. Turkish demographic changes have made the chance of an equitable solution almost impossible - not the Greek Cypriots. And I'm afraid to say that the flogging off of our property by TCs has not helped matters.

I suppose you mean the AP when you mention GC intranigence but Turkey is "guilty" of the same thing in that it is prepared to give up on EU membership in favour of a few thousand TCs.

We can't keep going over this "who started it" business and digging up the past - it gets us nowhere. We have to accept that both sides are to blame but the TCs got the worst of it because they are a minority.

VP and his sort keep on about needing Turkey for security reasons, Rolandis actually says in his article that policing a united Cyprus could be handed to the UN for a generation. Actually within the EU the Europeans could become more involved.

In a nutshell, as things stand the ROC has lost 37% of the island, the TCs face extinction - the GCs do not - Turkey will never join the EU.
So, who are the real losers?

There is no doubt about that,Jerry...The real losers are the TCs...Once you activated the Akritas Plan you gave us no choice...You gave those hell bent on dividing and ruling us the ultimate weapon...On the TC side,those responsible and guilty for the division are a handful of individuals...On the GC side,the whole community must shoulder the responsibility because you voted for Enosis by a margin of 95%,if not higher...You mde the mistake but the TCs have paid the price! That cant be fair in anybody's language...

Well I suppose you could say that the TCs managed to redress the balance when 95% of them willingly shared in the "Greek Cypriot booty" but we can't keep dwelling on the past, can we. So, if you are going to be the real losers do something about it, tell Turkey to get out.

Regardless of how many "new TCs" move into the north, that state will never be recognised and as a consequence Turkey could even end up even losing the benefits it currently derives from the EU. If the Israelis can't get its stolen land recognised after 40 years what hope do you think there is for Turkey.

[ZoC]

wot a cry baby! it's embarrassing. i'd rather deal with real turds than with soppy nappies like birk.

[Hermes]

Well I suppose you could say that the TCs managed to redress the balance when 95% of them willingly shared in the "Greek Cypriot booty" but we can't keep dwelling on the past, can we. So, if you are going to be the real losers do something about it, tell Turkey to get out.

And for Bir and those like him (I'm thinking of the late but not lamented YFred) who said that the trade embargo on the north would end up driving the T/Cs into Turkey's arms....

Well they've had a brief taste of Turkey's warm embrace and they don't seem to like it.

Be in no doubt that if the north economy was doing fine and all trade restrictions had been lifted we would not be seeing T/Cs on the streets demanding an end to Turkish interference in the north. Instead we would have a cementing of the partition.

Chalk one up for the embargo.

[BirKibrisli]

Of course you will find my posts boring...Because I am rubbing your noses in your own shit...I will keep doing so till you admit your sins and repent...
There is no doubt about it...Your pyrric victory is complete...You managed to drive the TCs first into Turkey's arms,then onto her breast,and now into her stomach....Congratulations,stick yiour heads up and look over the fence...There are 1 Million 'new TCs' waiting to embrace you with open arms...You will end up there sooner or later and then you will see what is what....The TCs are home already...They have returned to their roots...Enosis with Turkey has been achieved...Thanks to your dream of Enosis with Greece...Now see how long you can hang onto your 63%...