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[Hermes]

Doesnt really concern you, we have and will always have a great relationship.

A relationship in which one partner keeps the other one forcibly fed and maintained for 37 years and if they complain at being kept in servitude they are then threatened with prison or a beating doesn't sound like any harmonious relationship I've come across. But maybe they do things differently in the hills of Anatolia.

[Viewpoint]

Doesnt change the fact that the relationship is sound and will continue.

[Hermes]

Doesnt change the fact that the relationship is sound and will continue.

You are in the phase of a relationship breakdown known as being in denial.

[B25]

Although I would not dare to tell Turkey to f... off because they did help T/C from extinction in the hands of G/C. The banners in question, depends on your viewpoint now looking at the banners without in depth knowledge you would quickly come to a conclusion and say 'T/C are telling Turkey to pack up and leave we don't want anything to deal with you anymore'. But living here and amongst the protests on that day the message is we thank you Turkey for helping the state and we will like to continue strong relationships because there is no way we can cut that relationship, however we are angry on your iron fist and trying to implement your policies onto the T/C. So understand that we certainly need to keep our relationship with Turkey but not to fall under its rule. Although many would say the North is already under Turkey and it makes all decision for the North state that might be true, but for example minimum wage in N.Cyprus is higher than it is in Turkey so we are trying to send the message not to collapse and fall in line with Turkey if this is the case then you can reflect this anger onto the banners as such was the case above. You can clearly see this in Erdogan's reaction because he does not rule N.Cyprus he does not know the average Joe living here so he automatically fires without an in depth knowledge of T/C.

This made me smile, it is typical 'foregive me' letter and the offering of ones arse to turkey in repent.

Erdogan got very angry with you guys and for good reason, you insulted his turkishness, you are ungrateful and you made him spill the beans on Turkeys true intentions.

We all knew why Turkey came to Cyprus, but we never had an admission before, now we have it loud and clear, from now on anyone who dares to say Turkey came to 'save' the TCs, we will just throw up that statement. Job done, your fried.

Bye bye. Oh and VP, you can wet dream all you like about your replationship with Turkey, you are an abused housewife, who takes the beatings and then blames herslf for making you do it.

Have a good day, you're gonna need it.

[Jerry]

Is this a fair way of the ROC giving the TCs a handout? Can we "bribe" them with the promise of a share in our oil/gas.?
Nicos A Rolandis set out his plan in the Sunday Mail.

Here's an extract: -

In light of the above, I worked on a Plan which might constitute a way out, as well as resulting in long-term stability in the field of our hydrocarbons.
The plan, which I had also publicised in the past, provides for an ad hoc Agreement between the two communities, irrespective of the solution of the Cyprus problem. In parallel to the Agreement, a Disclaimer would have to be signed, making it clear the Plan would not constitute a legal, financial or political precedent. On the basis of this proposal, out of the Republic’s net profit from hydrocarbon exploitation, a to-be-agreed percentage would be deposited in an escrow account for the Turkish Cypriot community. This amount would then become payable either upon a solution being reached or at a future date to be agreed, whichever happens earlier

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/opinions/cyp ... s/20110213

[BirKibrisli]

I am sure you mean well,Jerry, as Rolandis does,but our friends here are not interested in well-meaning strategies...They want blood. TC blood...and TC humilation...It is the same mentality which brought us to this point in our sorry history...Make the world a 'living hell' for the TCs to extract the revenge of the failed GC dream of Enosis with Greece...

Erdogan is simply trying to put the TCs in their place...In the place Erdogan thinks they should be,right beside the people of Turkey,economically,socially and culturally...And he will succeed because of the bloodyminded intransigence of the GCs...The cost to you will be 37% of Cyprus...The cost to the TCs will be total assimilation and domination by Turkey...And as VP keeps telling you,that would b e the overwhelming choice of the majority of the TCs both in the trnc and diaspora...Enjoy your phyrric victory...The reality would soon dawn on everyone,even on our TC hating forum fascists!

[Kikapu]

I am sure you mean well,Jerry, as Rolandis does,but our friends here are not interested in well-meaning strategies...They want blood. TC blood...and TC humilation...It is the same mentality which brought us to this point in our sorry history...Make the world a 'living hell' for the TCs to extract the revenge of the failed GC dream of Enosis with Greece...

Erdogan is simply trying to put the TCs in their place...In the place Erdogan thinks they should be,right beside the people of Turkey,economically,socially and culturally...And he will succeed because of the bloodyminded intransigence of the GCs...The cost to you will be 37% of Cyprus...The cost to the TCs will be total assimilation and domination by Turkey...And as VP keeps telling you,that would b e the overwhelming choice of the majority of the TCs both in the trnc and diaspora...Enjoy your phyrric victory...The reality would soon dawn on everyone,even on our TC hating forum fascists!

Bir, as the saying goes, "If all else fails, read the instruction", and I think it's about time the TCs have tried something different for a change, like True Democracy and Human Rights for all Cypriots, because so far everything else they have tried to do, has failed. For the GCs, as we speak, the north's 37% might as well be dead and gone as the AP would have made sure of that and more, but the TCs would have gone also, with or without the AP because of Turkey's strategic interests. The only thing that is going to save the TCs, is by them accepting to become part of the RoC in a full democratic way, because anything else short of that, we the TCs as we know them will be history, regardless whether the GCs will ever get the north back anytime in the future. The TCs culture will be "dead and gone", but the land will always be there to be gotten back by the GCs in the future if and when opportunity arises, but how will the TCs make a comeback from extinction. They can't !

[ZoC]

I am sure you mean well,Jerry, as Rolandis does,but our friends here are not interested in well-meaning strategies...They want blood. TC blood...and TC humilation...It is the same mentality which brought us to this point in our sorry history...Make the world a 'living hell' for the TCs to extract the revenge of the failed GC dream of Enosis with Greece...

Erdogan is simply trying to put the TCs in their place...In the place Erdogan thinks they should be,right beside the people of Turkey,economically,socially and culturally...And he will succeed because of the bloodyminded intransigence of the GCs...

nothing to do with tcs not having any backbone, then.

The cost to you will be 37% of Cyprus...

too late. already gone. converted into a latrine years ago.

The cost to the TCs will be total assimilation and domination by Turkey...And as VP keeps telling you,that would b e the overwhelming choice of the majority of the TCs both in the trnc and diaspora...

ur choice. go get dominated.

[Hermes]

Erdogan is simply trying to put the TCs in their place...In the place Erdogan thinks they should be,right beside the people of Turkey,economically,socially and culturally...And he will succeed because of the bloodyminded intransigence of the GCs...

Why are you so keen to absolve Turkey of its responsibility for the humiliation it has heaped on the T/Cs? Why are you so keen to absolve those T/Cs who have mindlessly acquiesced to Turkey's will?

It is not the Greek Cypriots who control the north and who keep the island divided. Finally the T/Cs have woken up to the reality of their predicament and it has taken Erdogan's iron-fist to rouse them. It is about bloody time they realized they were not "saved" by the Turkish occupation but were instead denied their rights as ROC citizens and subject to a policy of slow annihilation.

For 37 years G/Cs have been fighting for a unified inclusive Cyprus in opposition to the Turkish occupation. We rejected the racist ideology of the Annan Plan which would have entrenched the division and kept the north a vassal state of Turkey and deprived us of our rights to our land.

We have pressured Turkey into revealing its hand and exposing its propaganda as a contemptuous lie. In so doing we have given the T/Cs a clear choice: slow humiliating servitude and death under Turkish rule or you finally join with the ROC in opposition to the Turkish occupation and the mountain of lies it was built on.

Finally, there is a chink of realization in the north. You should be pleased. But instead you are disappointed. I wonder why. At least some brave Turkish Cypriots are telling it like it is.

[BirKibrisli]

I am sure you mean well,Jerry, as Rolandis does,but our friends here are not interested in well-meaning strategies...They want blood. TC blood...and TC humilation...It is the same mentality which brought us to this point in our sorry history...Make the world a 'living hell' for the TCs to extract the revenge of the failed GC dream of Enosis with Greece...

Erdogan is simply trying to put the TCs in their place...In the place Erdogan thinks they should be,right beside the people of Turkey,economically,socially and culturally...And he will succeed because of the bloodyminded intransigence of the GCs...The cost to you will be 37% of Cyprus...The cost to the TCs will be total assimilation and domination by Turkey...And as VP keeps telling you,that would b e the overwhelming choice of the majority of the TCs both in the trnc and diaspora...Enjoy your phyrric victory...The reality would soon dawn on everyone,even on our TC hating forum fascists!

Bir, as the saying goes, "If all else fails, read the instruction", and I think it's about time the TCs have tried something different for a change, like True Democracy and Human Rights for all Cypriots, because so far everything else they have tried to do, has failed. For the GCs, as we speak, the north's 37% might as well be dead and gone as the AP would have made sure of that and more, but the TCs would have gone also, with or without the AP because of Turkey's strategic interests. The only thing that is going to save the TCs, is by them accepting to become part of the RoC in a full democratic way, because anything else short of that, we the TCs as we know them will be history, regardless whether the GCs will ever get the north back anytime in the future. The TCs culture will be "dead and gone", but the land will always be there to be gotten back by the GCs in the future if and when opportunity arises, but how will the TCs make a comeback from extinction. They can't !

It is too late,Kikapu...Our GC compatriots have their pyrric victory...The TC culture and identity will be extinguished withing the next 50 years,to be replaced by the 'new TC identity and culture' which will not be like the old one we know,but neither will it be exactly like the Turkish one! When there is 2 Million new TCs living in the trnc I am sure we can have a unitary state with full democracy and human rights etc...Ask our victorious GC compatriots,I am sure they can hardly wait for it!!!