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[EPSILON]

I wasn't even born then you fool. My family voted for Makarios and they supported him, so even if I was alive why would I want to bring down Makarios?

We didn't "shoot ourselves", but the fascists that always ruled and continue to rule Turkey, found the chance during the brief period that Greece was also ruled by fascists, to create a problem to Cyprus.

But you did shoot yourselves on the foot, since the majority of your population choose to side with fascist Turkey instead of the Cypriot people who were fighting against the coupists and the invaders. Cyprus will be liberated sooner or later, but it will take a while, and I doubt we will find any Turkish Cypriot when we will liberate our lands. All we will find will be Turkish Settlers, who will get send back to Anatolia where they came from. The days of Turkish Cypriots are numbered, and you have only yourself and your greed to blame for this.

Pirates, Stop worry about Turks - T/cs future.They are going directly to a disaster. The only thing we must do is not to follow them -in any respect-Just wait.Basis we do not have the leadership to guide us we must wait their Ottomans dreams to save us.

[Jerry]

Bir, one way or another its almost "game over" for the TCs as well - hence the "revolt" Turkey may have felt it was surounded by Greek islands 40 years ago but within the EU that is of no consequence. Turkey is hanging on to the island to keep the military quiet for the time being. As power wanes from the generals towards the government so the need to stay recedes. Future setbacks in the Turkish economy will be blamed on the fact that the EU membership was forsaken in favour of a few thousand TCs, then you will see Turkey change its attitude towards both the EU and the ungrateful ones.

There was an interesting translation from a mainland newspaper here below.
Perhaps it gives an idea why, in addition to “strategic” reasons, Turkey conquered the north
Starts at message 45, translation further down.

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/55525.asp


We did not love saving the TCs we loved capturing the land. We gave them peace and security is just pretend. As sons of Ottomons we loved conquering for the first time in 300 years. Hatay does not count, we did not fire a single bullet for that.

We did not see them as the saved, we see them as captured. Gave us a superiority complex to suppress our inferiority complex

I can't argue with you ,.Jerry...That is why i keep saying you are cutting off your nose to spite your face...You didnt want to share power with 120,000 TCs according to the 1960 Constitution,now you are paying the price! Turkey will never get into the EU,and will never get out of Cyprus without a war! when you finally make the ultimate mistake of using arms against the trnc the whole of Cyprus will be captured,and not one finger will be lifted by anyone to help you...The game is over...The final chapter is not played out yet,but given all the indications,it will be in not so distant future!
I don't take any pleasure in writing this...

Bir, you confuse power sharing in 1960, that elements on both sides viewed as an interim measure, with an undemocratic set-up that that reminded GCs of Ottoman domination. No other colonial minority on earth was ever awarded as much power as the TCs by the Zurich agreement.

Cyprus was, and still is, the only country in the world where outsiders can "legally" intervene in its affairs by the use of force. It effectively means that Cyprus was never a true sovereign state according to the terms of the UN Charter. "Independence" was a sham.

As for Turkey and the EU, even outside the club Turkey already derives huge economic benefits through its customs union, about half of its exports and most of its inward investment in fact. With this in mind it would be Turkey that cut its nose off to spite its face in the event of conflict. The EU would restrain the ROC from initiating a conflict , I'm sure.

[TSJ]

no other minority had the rights tcs had?....................no other republic was left with the problems independence left Cyprus

tcs had the power of veto just as Cyprus and Estonia has that right in EU,
When IndiA was granted independence, when Yugoslavia and some soviet states broke free, they did the sensible thing…………..but in Cyprus oh no…its was left to dog eat dog and rat eat rat……………….Too much to ask for the sensible thing in Cyprus…….so we had civil war, enclaves, akritas, invasion, thousands dead, over two hundred thousand loosing their homes, an unrecognised state, two way ethnic cleansing blah blah blah……….

Would it not have just been easier and simpler to have done the sensible thing in the first place……………………..Oh not in Cyprus ,,,,,,,,wot next?

[humanist]

Your all way of your heads Turkey will be out of Cyprus and in the EU she just has to accept that the EU isn't about to hand over ant territory of her's to the Atila. Too late for now. Gas has been found and the EU namenly Britain and Germany will not allow some barbaric Islamic State to have any part of its natural resources. That's the end of that ....

[Jerry]

no other minority had the rights tcs had?....................no other republic was left with the problems independence left Cyprus

tcs had the power of veto just as Cyprus and Estonia has that right in EU,
When IndiA was granted independence, when Yugoslavia and some soviet states broke free, they did the sensible thing…………..but in Cyprus oh no…its was left to dog eat dog and rat eat rat……………….Too much to ask for the sensible thing in Cyprus…….so we had civil war, enclaves, akritas, invasion, thousands dead, over two hundred thousand loosing their homes, an unrecognised state, two way ethnic cleansing blah blah blah……….

Would it not have just been easier and simpler to have done the sensible thing in the first place……………………..Oh not in Cyprus ,,,,,,,,wot next?

Big difference is Cyprus and Estonia freely chose to join the EU and agree to its rules. Zurich agreement was imposed by the colonial power and favoured Turkey and the TCs

I'm not sure how "sensible" the partition of India or the breakup of Yugoslavia was, hundreds of thousands died and milllions were displaced.

Perhaps you can say where else the right to "legally" intervene exists on this planet.

[ZoC]

When exactly did I shot myself in the foot Bir? Shooting myself would be voting for Annan plan that would officially divide Cyprus and give to the Turks the power to control the whole Cyprus. They were some brainless that did this, but fortunately they were a small minority.

You can count on me to take the right decisions that serve the interests of Cyprus, and none that serve the interests of the invaders.

Sorry,I forgot that you have a very selective memory!
Let me remind you...You shot yourself in the left foot when you drove the TCs out of power in 1963....And you shot yourself in the right foot when you brought off the coup against Makarios in order to bring about Enosis with Greece! I know I can count on you to take the wrong decision to advance the cause of fanatical GCs...The next one you make will be your last! That is a friendly warning...

thanks.... bye!

[TSJ]

Ok Jerry

lets put them all back together and see what happens eh?............would that be better?

[Me Ed]

Ok Jerry

lets put them all back together and see what happens eh?............would that be better?

For the TCs, yes I think it would be better.

[TSJ]

Ed…………..i don’t disagree with you…………..youre right, but it took fifty years, mass bloodshed, wars etc etc etc to reach this point and I also reckon that had we had some form of bi-zonalism at independence we would now be freely integrating now as well, working with one another through and commerce, culture, sport and simple friendliness with tcs free to be on greek zone and gcs free to be on turk zone.………………….as it is, it is now a complete mess..............or do you think that we all suffered and are still suffering was a better route.

In case you werent born then....at the time of indenpence 99% of Cypriot wanted enosis or partition..........so the resulting conflicts and murders followed..........every village idiot saw it coming.

I also agree with the right of return Ed, but the practicalities of it are not that simple anymore……………….

[Me Ed]

Ed…………..i don’t disagree with you…………..youre right, but it took fifty years, mass bloodshed, wars etc etc etc to reach this point and I also reckon that had we had some form of bi-zonalism at independence we would now be freely integrating now as well, working with one another through and commerce, culture, sport and simple friendliness with tcs free to be on greek zone and gcs free to be on turk zone.………………….as it is, it is now a complete mess..............or do you think that we all suffered and are still suffering was a better route.

In case you werent born then....at the time of indenpence 99% of Cypriot wanted enosis or partition..........so the resulting conflicts and murders followed..........every village idiot saw it coming.

I also agree with the right of return Ed, but the practicalities of it are not that simple anymore……………….

TSJ,

Don't look to the past, but the future.

Consider the realities of the present.

The RoC has the EU and the TCs can share in this.

The "trnc" has the Turkey and the settlers, no thanks!