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[halil]

I was following the Turkish Cypriots press from the net while ago and i read this report. I tried to translate the report from original version .
http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=28024&z=31

Turkish Cypriot land was expropriated


Land belonging to the Turkish Cypriot from Pano Polemidia (yukarı Binatlı) village .

Agreement between TC owner and Greek Cypriots government, the Turkish Cypriot land has been expropriated. (According to Politis newspaper) The Land was belonging to TC Hamza Hüseyin, after his dead land passed over the his wife Hatice Hamza Huseyin.

Approximately fifty Donums of land, were confiscated in exchange for 6 million 600 thousand euros.

On the land Greek Cypriots refugees had houses . TC family were settled in England in 1975 (Hamza family) Hamza Huseyin died in England and his wife decided to sell the land to Greek Cypriots Goverment.

According to paper The Greek Cypriots Council of Ministers also approved the deal yesterday, so that the land is expropriated.


''Mouth juices flowing fom The DENIZ.....just kidding gardash''

[RichardB]

I dont think ''expropriated'' is the correct word here

Expropriated means to ''confiscate'' or ''force'' a sale

From the article it would seem the TC lady agreed to sell the land

On the land Greek Cypriots refugees had houses . TC family were settled in England in 1975 (Hamza family) Hamza Huseyin died in England and his wife decided to sell the land to Greek Cypriots Goverment.

[Kikapu]

I dont think ''expropriated'' is the correct word here

Expropriated means to ''confiscate'' or ''force'' a sale

From the article it would seem the TC lady agreed to sell the land

On the land Greek Cypriots refugees had houses . TC family were settled in England in 1975 (Hamza family) Hamza Huseyin died in England and his wife decided to sell the land to Greek Cypriots Goverment.

You are correct, RichardB. The TC owner volunteered to sell her land and got nice amount for it too. Had her husband been immoral, he would have gotten stolen GC land in the north as an "exchange land", which would have been worth far less, as well as being illegal. He could have also sold it to the "trnc" and he would have gotten Pennies on the Dollar for it. In another words, the "trnc" would have ripped him off down to his underwear. I wonder how many TCs in the north today wished they never gave up their land in the south to receive stolen GC land in the north as an "exchange", which now, the "trnc" who are the "owners" of their land in the south.??

[insan]

I dont think ''expropriated'' is the correct word here

Expropriated means to ''confiscate'' or ''force'' a sale

From the article it would seem the TC lady agreed to sell the land

On the land Greek Cypriots refugees had houses . TC family were settled in England in 1975 (Hamza family) Hamza Huseyin died in England and his wife decided to sell the land to Greek Cypriots Goverment.

You are correct, RichardB. The TC owner volunteered to sell her land and got nice amount for it too. Had her husband been immoral, he would have gotten stolen GC land in the north as an "exchange land", which would have been worth far less, as well as being illegal. He could have also sold it to the "trnc" and he would have gotten Pennies on the Dollar for it. In another words, the "trnc" would have ripped him off down to his underwear. I wonder how many TCs in the north today wished they never gave up their land in the south to receive stolen GC land in the north as an "exchange", which now, the "trnc" who are the "owners" of their land in the south.??

What about the TC refugees who had heard about the agreement between the leaderships of 2 communities that the RoC would be restored on the basis of BBF and then decided to exchange their lands and properties with the ones they were given in North? R they "immoral" too? Or should they emigrate to any other place in order not to be "immoral" by "stealing" other people's lands and properties???

Your mind has a very stereotypical thinking and consideration Kikapu!

[Nikitas]

Six million six hundred thousand Euros. Now let us see how the "properties commission" will match this valuation per donum.

I figure it at 6600000/50= 132 000 Euro per donum in an area which is not really prime. What does seafront Kyrenia property go for by comparison?

[Kikapu]

I dont think ''expropriated'' is the correct word here

Expropriated means to ''confiscate'' or ''force'' a sale

From the article it would seem the TC lady agreed to sell the land

On the land Greek Cypriots refugees had houses . TC family were settled in England in 1975 (Hamza family) Hamza Huseyin died in England and his wife decided to sell the land to Greek Cypriots Goverment.

You are correct, RichardB. The TC owner volunteered to sell her land and got nice amount for it too. Had her husband been immoral, he would have gotten stolen GC land in the north as an "exchange land", which would have been worth far less, as well as being illegal. He could have also sold it to the "trnc" and he would have gotten Pennies on the Dollar for it. In another words, the "trnc" would have ripped him off down to his underwear. I wonder how many TCs in the north today wished they never gave up their land in the south to receive stolen GC land in the north as an "exchange", which now, the "trnc" who are the "owners" of their land in the south.??

What about the TC refugees who had heard about the agreement between the leaderships of 2 communities that the RoC would be restored on the basis of BBF and then decided to exchange their lands and properties with the ones they were given in North? R they "immoral" too? Or should they emigrate to any other place in order not to be "immoral" by "stealing" other people's lands and properties???

Your mind has a very stereotypical thinking and consideration Kikapu!

I don't know what you are talking about, Insan, although my guess is you are talking about the Makarios/Denktash deal in the late 70's, so how does that agreement on BBF, which has not been fulfilled yet by the way, has anything to do with TC refugees indiscriminately taking over the GC refugees properties in exchange for theirs in the south. Show me where the GC refugees singed away their properties to the TC refugees or to the "trnc", for such actions not to be immoral and illegal. We are not talking about TC refugees using the GC refugees homes as shelter only, but those who accepted the GCs refugees homes as their own for theirs in the south. In those situations, it was immoral and illegal, orchestrated by the TC leadership to try and make the partition permanent.

[humanist]

Nikitas perhaps the high amount paid was for that reason, the Courts will become involved now because for one GC's will complain that the Commission is not valuing property merely as fairly as the RoC government. They will set an independent valuators or a commission as such to value land,. If the RoC has paid this woman and her family in the UK the amount. Then it would probably go Court again so that the Commission set up in the "trnc" will have to pay within a short time frame of the agreed amount.

This will also limit thos GC's from selling because they know that they will get more for their land under unifcation. Having said this I believe that the Commission as set up in the "trnc" is a good thing especially if we are going to unify by the end of the year. It acts as a kind of a voluntary land exchange or sale. So it would mean less GC's will in the new TC zone and those who did exchange land have done so voluntarily so in a sense it makes the property issues a little easier for government. By the way the only bizonal example I can think of that allows for political equality in a democracy is the governance of Quebec in Canada.

[Viewpoint]

Who said there will be a solution by the end of the year?