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[denizaksulu]

Me Ed

I am not sure if the TC's are victims of the settler issue .... they are agreeing to it. Each day they deny themselves unification. It is their own creation ..... I think it is time for personal responsibility to be taken ....

They do not all agree with it Humanist. On the contrary.

[zan]

Me Ed

I am not sure if the TC's are victims of the settler issue .... they are agreeing to it. Each day they deny themselves unification. It is their own creation ..... I think it is time for personal responsibility to be taken ....

They do not all agree with it Humanist. On the contrary.

My cousin was fine until the traffic started. My brother inlaw thrives on rent from students. My aunt says " Are they not people too?"

[DTA]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1021835.stm
1975 - Turkish Cypriots establish independent administration, with Rauf Denktash as president. Denktash and Clerides agree population exchange.

Then it was a population exchange agreed by both sides rather than ethnic cleansing?

[Klik]

apparently yes...

[bill cobbett]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1021835.stm
1975 - Turkish Cypriots establish independent administration, with Rauf Denktash as president. Denktash and Clerides agree population exchange.

Then it was a population exchange agreed by both sides rather than ethnic cleansing?

The reference by the BBC is to the Agreement by Mssrs Cleridees and Donktosh in talks in Geneva in the Summer of 1975. A whole year after the Invasion.

The overwhelming bulk of displacement of people from their homes in the Occupied North happened within hours and days of the Illegal Invasion of 20 July 1974.

In many, many cases people in whole villages were thrown out of their homes and sent to Areas of Confinement, kept in poor conditions, many sleeping rough in fields within sight of their empty homes, others in atrocious conditions in places like the Dome Hotel in Kyrenia and Pavlides Garage in Nic, and denied access to third-party help such as the Red Cross.

Then consider what is an essential element of ethnic cleansing... the terrifying fear brought about in whole communities by murders, massacres and other atrocities... a fear that caused many, many people to pack what they could carry, which was often just the children, and flee by whatever way they could to the Free Areas within a few days of the Invasion.

So all in all it has practically bugger all nothing whatsoever to do with the Geneva "Population Exchange" Agreement" that was agreed a whole year later.

[humanist]

They are people and Turkey ought to stop using them for political reasons to perpetuate its occupation. Where as it looks not even the people it is meant to be protecting no longer want her. I think this is the beginning of the demonstrations we will see in the occupied area of Cyprus.

[DT.]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1021835.stm
1975 - Turkish Cypriots establish independent administration, with Rauf Denktash as president. Denktash and Clerides agree population exchange.

Then it was a population exchange agreed by both sides rather than ethnic cleansing?

I have no issues with people who have no knowledge on the subject but people who really know to pretend that in 74 no one came to Morphou and Kyrenia to throw the gcs out of their homes is a major scumbag. To insist that a population exchange agreement done a whole year later regarding enclaved people had something to do with the exodus of 1/3 of the gc population from the north of Cyprus in 74 under threat of mehmetchik is a reminder of the Nazi propaganda in the 40 s.

[Jimski999]

DTA

The GC refugees either headed to the southern area's to escape the Turkish Army or were driven out of their homes at the point of a gun; the latter being ethnic cleansing. The TC's on the other hand went north as part of the ceasefire agreement as demanded by the Turkish negociators so to say they were also ethnically cleansed is stretching it as bit. The TC's can return at any time to live and work in the ROC; unfortunately the GC's do not have the same opportunities in the north.

Jimski

[BirKibrisli]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1021835.stm
1975 - Turkish Cypriots establish independent administration, with Rauf Denktash as president. Denktash and Clerides agree population exchange.

Then it was a population exchange agreed by both sides rather than ethnic cleansing?

The reference by the BBC is to the Agreement by Mssrs Cleridees and Donktosh in talks in Geneva in the Summer of 1975. A whole year after the Invasion.

The overwhelming bulk of displacement of people from their homes in the Occupied North happened within hours and days of the Illegal Invasion of 20 July 1974.

In many, many cases people in whole villages were thrown out of their homes and sent to Areas of Confinement, kept in poor conditions, many sleeping rough in fields within sight of their empty homes, others in atrocious conditions in places like the Dome Hotel in Kyrenia and Pavlides Garage in Nic, and denied access to third-party help such as the Red Cross.

Then consider what is an essential element of ethnic cleansing... the terrifying fear brought about in whole communities by murders, massacres and other atrocities... a fear that caused many, many people to pack what they could carry, which was often just the children, and flee by whatever way they could to the Free Areas within a few days of the Invasion.

So all in all it has practically bugger all nothing whatsoever to do with the Geneva "Population Exchange" Agreement" that was agreed a whole year later.

I agree with Bill...Not many people needed much forcing to leave their homes and seek shelter in secure areas...This was exactly what happened to the TCs during 63-74 era...It was fear induced by murders and attrocities,plus the odd fullscale massacre...10s of thousands of TCs left their homes and villages...because of the sheer terror for their lives...But until our GC friends here admit this and condemn the ethnic cleansing of the TCs during the 60s,they have no moral right to talk about what happened during the 70s...Come clean,admit,repent...then we can reciprocate,and perhaps find some empathy and compassion for each others plight...This cannot be achieved by onesided accusations and misinformation campaigns...But,on second thought, I fear it is too late anyway...Erdogan is now talking about the Turkish blood shed during the 74 'peace' operation!!! That is all we need...

[DTA]

DT I really am not claiming anything, I just found out something about what happened to members of my family in the south after 74 which (if done to all tc in the south ) seems extremely similar to what happened to gcs in the north so I am trying to get to the bottom of it.

What you quoted from me was a question